Sherman Firefly

[BHammer]

I like how it says in the description "known as a tank that can effectively engage German heavy tanks" and then it loses to Panzer 4 every time. Test it if you don't believe me. It's 155 fuel versus Pz Iv's 125 fuel and doesn't work against infantry.
Any idea why it's so weak ? In my mind that thing should be almost as strong as a panther given the cost of it.
I won't even mention Tulip rockets, they're a big disappointment considering their price.

[Patrykblack7]

Originally posted by Blackhammer:

Originally posted by ☭Patrykblack7☭:

Firefly always was a tank hunter.... Also Firefly got better gun than comet

I'm confused since people are saying Firefly has a worse gun than an easy 8.

Define tank hunter by the way. Couldn't they just load HE shells into the Firefly ?

Tank hunter= tank that taking down enemy tanks from large distance
♥♥♥♥ against infantry
♥♥♥♥ in close combat

[BHammer]

Originally posted by ☭Patrykblack7☭:

Originally posted by Blackhammer:

I'm confused since people are saying Firefly has a worse gun than an easy 8.

Define tank hunter by the way. Couldn't they just load HE shells into the Firefly ?

Tank hunter= tank that taking down enemy tanks from large distance
♥♥♥♥ against infantry
♥♥♥♥ in close combat

It doesn't sound like a proper definition...and I'm asking about a real-life example of a tank hunter, not this.

[Patrykblack7]

Originally posted by Blackhammer:

Originally posted by ☭Patrykblack7☭:

Tank hunter= tank that taking down enemy tanks from large distance
♥♥♥♥ against infantry
♥♥♥♥ in close combat

It doesn't sound like a proper definition...and I'm asking about a real-life example of a tank hunter, not this.

M10 M18 M36 Stug Jagpanzers jagpanther Jagtiger all SU variants Firefly Achilles

[TermusJar]

Panther was tank hunter

[Voyevoda]

Originally posted by Drude:

Originally posted by Blackhammer:

I like how it says in the description "known as a tank that can effectively engage German heavy tanks" and then it loses to Panzer 4 every time. Test it if you don't believe me. It's 155 fuel versus Pz Iv's 125 fuel and doesn't work against infantry.
Any idea why it's so weak ? In my mind that thing should be almost as strong as a panther given the cost of it.
I won't even mention Tulip rockets, they're a big disappointment considering their price.

That's the thing. The 17-pounder it has is underperforming more than any other allied tank, would you say? It's gun should be effective than tiger or panther. But it ain't.

Tulips are not bad since in reality they were not accurate. I hardly miss with them, but then again their issue is their damage. Double rear hit should finish the job. Let's say you flank KT, shoot it 1-2 times and then launch tulips. You still might end up being dead.

I'd say they should add it's fuel cost and increase penetration + damage.

... but what comes to P4, it ain't problem and doesn't need micro. Just normal management when you encounter enemy tank.

at Vrank 3 it becomes exceptionally potent with 250 ish damage a shot. Other allied tanks (and some nazi tanks) are stuck at 160 a shot. Treat it like a tank destroyer and keep it back out of front line fighting.

[Electrolf]

firefly is very good for Tank hunting like irl. It needs some twerks but use it like a stealth killer. use it like a su 85 a bit with keeping range, the tulpis are there to insta kill pz 4 and heavly dmg a King Tiger! the 10.04 s reload get with vet 3 really fast really down with -25% reaload and +80 dmg. With an bulletin you make them even stronger. Sure the Comet is an ALLROUNDER, but if you have a good Team with like T-34/85 and one wo gets comets you can take some fireflys with you and tulpis to get the enemy Tiger/Kingtiger/whatever he gots and make it really dmg! <3
Never give up!

[Shiship]

If you cant uderstand what's the purpose of a 60 range 200 pen TD + 680 alpha strike damage you maybe should play OKW

Originally posted by Blackhammer:

So Firefly should be played as a tank hunter ? How close is that to real life I wonder ?

Close...

[Osyto]

Best.tank.in.games.

[Skullfumble]

Losing firefly to P4. Man...

[Patrykblack7]

Originally posted by Skullfumble:

Losing firefly to P4. Man...

Its not that hard as you think ( i mean killing Firefly)

[Sidewinder]

Originally posted by Blackhammer:

I like how it says in the description "known as a tank that can effectively engage German heavy tanks" and then it loses to Panzer 4 every time. Test it if you don't believe me. It's 155 fuel versus Pz Iv's 125 fuel and doesn't work against infantry.
Any idea why it's so weak ? In my mind that thing should be almost as strong as a panther given the cost of it.
I won't even mention Tulip rockets, they're a big disappointment considering their price.

are u ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ me? Panzer 4 cant even fire right when its moving. the sherman has a longer range than the king tiger and it can be upgraded with those vicious tulip rockets, effectively 2 shermans with 1 armed with tulip can take down heavy slow german armor i believe. L2p

[Sidewinder]

What u cant understand is that P4 is a short range frontline tank with faster turret rotation so it can encircle a sherman very well. where as the sherman firefly is i beleive the best sniper in the game. u dont engage snipers in 1 on 1 tank engagments. smh

[Hazard]

Because Lelic made the pzIV better then it should be. Out of all the Medium tanks of the war the PZIV had the worst gun and worst armor, (out of PZIV, Sherman, T-34) The normal sherman should be able to wipe the floor with a pzIV, let alone a firefly. The firefly isn't meant to engage infantry, they actually took off it's machineguns so it would fit the british doctrine of a Tank destroyer. So yes, it should be able to rek any german tank out there.

However to call it the most underperforming would be a stretch. The high velocity 76mm of the M4A3E8 perfomed practically the same, yet it sucks in CoH2 for seemingly no reason. And the Jackson and Pershing 90mm Greatly outperforms the 17pdr. I don't know why lelic has it stuck in their heads that US armor was hopeless in the face of even outdated paper tanks like the pzIV. Maybe they saw too many hollywood movies.

But I know, I know, CoH2 isn't realistic. So then I'll just explain that the firefly is meant to be a support tank destroyer, meaning you let something else take the hits and get line of sight while the firefly plinks at the targets and maybe even gets a kill if the german player sucks at micro enough

[Butz]

It's called a sherman but it's a lot more similar to an M36 than to an E8. Use it as such

[T-70 X-Wing]

first of all firefly is a sherman second of all it has 10.5 second reload slower than jagtgier what would were you expecting
only way a firefly takes out a tank that first shot and tulips impact at the same time