Panzergrenadiers vs stormtroopers?

[EpicRice]

Is it me, or do stormtroopers seem to preform better than panzergrenadiers when upgraded with STGs? I've used stormtrooopers and panzergrenadiers a few times, and panzergrenadiers seem to lose a man and do alright damage in an engagement, while storm just outperform pzgrens and don't take damage.

Storm also get the tactical assault ability, but i'm mostly talking about non-ability performence.

[EpicRice]

Originally posted by Ban1st:

they cost more

Right. But do they shooter more acccurately than pzgrens when upgraded with pzgrens? or have more hp?

[Darthpanzer]

Yeah stormtroopers are better than panzergranadiers when upgraded.
They should be.

[Medryn]

People dont like them because they were used to replace their crutch...er.... vet training

[EpicRice]

Originally posted by Lord Rahl:

People dont like them because they were used to replace their crutch...er.... vet training

Yeah, with elite troop doctrine. It was OP though, especially in team games

[EpicRice]

Originally posted by Ban1st:

Originally posted by EpicRice:

Is it me, or do stormtroopers seem to preform better than panzergrenadiers when upgraded with STGs? I've used stormtrooopers and panzergrenadiers a few times, and panzergrenadiers seem to lose a man and do alright damage in an engagement, while storm just outperform pzgrens and don't take damage.

Storm also get the tactical assault ability, but i'm mostly talking about non-ability performence.

now I have question why you ask such a thing about panzzergreanadiers vs stormtropers ?

Because if stormtroopers don't out perform panzergrenadiers with 100 munitions upgrade, you might as well just buy panzergrenadiers. Stormtroopers do have additional benefits in comparison to panzergrens but 100 muni is expensive

[EpicRice]

Originally posted by OberkommandoDerWehrmacht:

Originally posted by EpicRice:

Yeah, with elite troop doctrine. It was OP though, especially in team games

Every axis doctrine that got nerfed was op and its justified, but when they remove elite rifles and flamethrowers then Relic is just Nazi biased scum.

I used to play US with elite rifles and crutched on it hardcore.

The thing is, elite rifles really did need a nerf, the elite riflemen at v1-v2 gave you AT grenades without teching up, so it could counter kubelwagons sooo easily, and having flamethrower on a core infantry unit with grenade+smoke? Common, don't tell me that's bias. You smoke a building and burn the ♥♥♥♥ out of it- even against infantry it was OP as hell with 4 US troops using m1s giving supporting fire. Even Wehrmacht and Soviets get them on engineers, not core infantry units.

But, the replacement was a bad choice. Fire up is useless and rear echelon flamethrower as a commander only is stupid imo. They should've given a rifle upgrade to the US riflemen similar to the jaegar rifles for grenadiers. Personally, I would prefer if US get their flamethrowers automatically with REs but that's up for debate.

Elite troops doctrine should indeed have the Vet up swapped out, the tiger ace is a bit lackluster now and could use a bit of relooking into.

[Medryn]

Originally posted by EpicRice:

Originally posted by Lord Rahl:

People dont like them because they were used to replace their crutch...er.... vet training

Yeah, with elite troop doctrine. It was OP though, especially in team games

Yeah, vet 5 volks at the start of the game? yes plz

[Imperial Dane]

In terms of performance they are infact extremely similar :

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=stormtrooper_squad_mp

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=panzer_grenadier_squad_mp

They have the same weapons. The only difference being the abilities and that stormtroopers have camo and are slightly harder to hit. like 5% difference there. Though that does give them something to work with. Also they gain veterancy in a slightly different order.

Panzergrenadiers get tougher and a higher RoF at vet 2. Stormtroopers become more accurate and can throw grenades further.

Thusly a well used Stormtrooper squad is a potent tool. In particular after they lowered the xp requirements.

The trick is to time the tactical advance at the right time. it can devestate most enemey attacks, wipe units in a matter of seconds and just give you an edge in a fight. In particular once you have vet 3 it is a really powerful tool.

[EpicRice]

Originally posted by Imperial Dane:

In terms of performance they are infact extremely similar :

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=stormtrooper_squad_mp

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=panzer_grenadier_squad_mp

They have the same weapons. The only difference being the abilities and that stormtroopers have camo and are slightly harder to hit. like 5% difference there. Though that does give them something to work with. Also they gain veterancy in a slightly different order.

Panzergrenadiers get tougher and a higher RoF at vet 2. Stormtroopers become more accurate and can throw grenades further.

Thusly a well used Stormtrooper squad is a potent tool. In particular after they lowered the xp requirements.

The trick is to time the tactical advance at the right time. it can devestate most enemey attacks, wipe units in a matter of seconds and just give you an edge in a fight. In particular once you have vet 3 it is a really powerful tool.

Wow, thanks alot for this, this is exactly what I was looking for!

In your opinion, do you think it's viable to have storm with stg upgrades? I've checked some of the threads but they're sadly outdated and seem to lean on the notion that storm are a waste since pzgrens already come with STGs. Some of stormless's gameplay on youtube i've been using as a bit of guide have him using the storm with stgs though.

[Marmiteinajar]

I wonder what would happen if Stormtroopers with Tactical Assault went up against Paras with thompsons with their Assault ability.

Tis a fight for all the immortals to witness.