T-34-85 bad?

[Obamenau]

Whats your experience with this unit? Using it more and more im really startinf to hate it. The T-34-85 just misses and bounces all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time, for me it just doesnt pull its weight against Panthers and P4s for its 130 fuel cost.
Am i just having some bad rng or does the tank really have so poor gun stats? Note that this is the only tank im having these issues with and i have played all factions.

[Farlon]

Stop firing on the move. T-34-85 is great against P4's and infantry and hits pretty consistently but it has poor moving accuracy (like all tanks except USF). It won't 1v1 a panther (it has a chance to, though) but it's not meant to counter them, just like panzer 4's aren't meant to 1v1 SU-85's or KV-1s.

[Obamenau]

Originally posted by Farlon:

Stop firing on the move. T-34-85 is great against P4's and infantry and hits pretty consistently but it has poor moving accuracy (like all tanks except USF). It won't 1v1 a panther (it has a chance to, though) but it's not meant to counter them, just like panzer 4's aren't meant to 1v1 SU-85's or KV-1s.

Im not expecting it to beat a panther, however it often barely scratches them: even when im using 2 of them or 1 and mark target they fail to kill one from the front. Hell it often even struggles aganst p4s.

And its moving accuracy definetly is terrible. You can say "well just dont move and shoot". However at least for me that just doesnt work with the playstyle of the tank. The t-34-85 is a more aggresive P4, used to overwhelm enemies and take out axis armor by flanking and or outnumbering. having to sit still whilst shooting really hinders that.
Honestly not seeing much reason to no just stick with T-34-75 + SU-85 instead from my experience , those tanks are at least good at their job.

How much have you used the t-34-85?

[Farlon]

Originally posted by Mindstream:

Originally posted by Farlon:

Stop firing on the move. T-34-85 is great against P4's and infantry and hits pretty consistently but it has poor moving accuracy (like all tanks except USF). It won't 1v1 a panther (it has a chance to, though) but it's not meant to counter them, just like panzer 4's aren't meant to 1v1 SU-85's or KV-1s.

Im not expecting it to beat a panther, however it often barely scratches them: even when im using 2 of them or 1 and mark target they fail to kill one from the front. Hell it often even struggles aganst p4s.

And its moving accuracy definetly is terrible. You can say "well just dont move and shoot". However at least for me that just doesnt work with the playstyle of the tank. The t-34-85 is a more aggresive P4, used to overwhelm enemies and take out axis armor by flanking and or outnumbering. having to sit still whilst shooting really hinders that.
Honestly not seeing much reason to no just stick with T-34-75 + SU-85 instead from my experience , those tanks are at least good at their job.

How much have you used the t-34-85?

You can still move a lot but you should always press S (or whatever hotkey it is for you) to stop before each shot and move afterwards. That way you can remove the moving accuracy penalty but still retain the speed. And if 2 T-34-85's couldn't kill a panther with mark target, you have really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rng there. And I used it quite often but I'm not a fan of the doctrines it's in. Usually, I just play some meme builds or get an IS-2 because big tanks make me wet.

[Obamenau]

Originally posted by Farlon:

Originally posted by Mindstream:

Im not expecting it to beat a panther, however it often barely scratches them: even when im using 2 of them or 1 and mark target they fail to kill one from the front. Hell it often even struggles aganst p4s.

And its moving accuracy definetly is terrible. You can say "well just dont move and shoot". However at least for me that just doesnt work with the playstyle of the tank. The t-34-85 is a more aggresive P4, used to overwhelm enemies and take out axis armor by flanking and or outnumbering. having to sit still whilst shooting really hinders that.
Honestly not seeing much reason to no just stick with T-34-75 + SU-85 instead from my experience , those tanks are at least good at their job.

How much have you used the t-34-85?

You can still move a lot but you should always press S (or whatever hotkey it is for you) to stop before each shot and move afterwards. That way you can remove the moving accuracy penalty but still retain the speed. And if 2 T-34-85's couldn't kill a panther with mark target, you have really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rng there. And I used it quite often but I'm not a fan of the doctrines it's in. Usually, I just play some meme builds or get an IS-2 because big tanks make me wet.

I mean 1+mark target for clarity. And the problem with panthers is they just speed away when in trouble and then the t34-85 just cant kill it.

Though ironically i pick the doctrine not because of the tank but bc sometimes i need guards + heavy mortar. Well i gues ill stick to IS-2/ISU-152. Not hot on further challenging RNG.

[Felinewolfie]

Originally posted by Mindstream:

Whats your experience with this unit? Using it more and more im really startinf to hate it. The T-34-85 just misses and bounces all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time, for me it just doesnt pull its weight against Panthers and P4s for its 130 fuel cost.
Am i just having some bad rng or does the tank really have so poor gun stats? Note that this is the only tank im having these issues with and i have played all factions.

T34/85 is an amazing tank. You just use it wrong.

[Felinewolfie]

Originally posted by Farlon:

Originally posted by Mindstream:

Im not expecting it to beat a panther, however it often barely scratches them: even when im using 2 of them or 1 and mark target they fail to kill one from the front. Hell it often even struggles aganst p4s.

And its moving accuracy definetly is terrible. You can say "well just dont move and shoot". However at least for me that just doesnt work with the playstyle of the tank. The t-34-85 is a more aggresive P4, used to overwhelm enemies and take out axis armor by flanking and or outnumbering. having to sit still whilst shooting really hinders that.
Honestly not seeing much reason to no just stick with T-34-75 + SU-85 instead from my experience , those tanks are at least good at their job.

How much have you used the t-34-85?

You can still move a lot but you should always press S (or whatever hotkey it is for you) to stop before each shot and move afterwards. That way you can remove the moving accuracy penalty but still retain the speed. And if 2 T-34-85's couldn't kill a panther with mark target, you have really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rng there. And I used it quite often but I'm not a fan of the doctrines it's in. Usually, I just play some meme builds or get an IS-2 because big tanks make me wet.

+1 you hit it on the nose.

[Obamenau]

Originally posted by Felinewolfie:

Originally posted by Mindstream:

Whats your experience with this unit? Using it more and more im really startinf to hate it. The T-34-85 just misses and bounces all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time, for me it just doesnt pull its weight against Panthers and P4s for its 130 fuel cost.
Am i just having some bad rng or does the tank really have so poor gun stats? Note that this is the only tank im having these issues with and i have played all factions.

T34/85 is an amazing tank. You just use it wrong.

Yeah because i have so much control over my tank bouncing and missing all the time.

[Richartonio]

The T-34/85 is probably the best medium in the game.

[COMP DBD 1V1]

t34 85 hard counters every medium tank axis can throw at you, panthers that have marked target on it will be eaten alive

this is probably the best cost to performance tank in the game, huge hp pool and it can wipe infantry and tanks

the only comparable tank worth its price to it would be prenerf comet

id rather have 1 t34 85 than a is2
id rather have 2 t34 85s than a isu152
well for kv2 it depends what map, but usually i would want t34 85s because t34 76s just dont cut it to deal with axis tanks and its vastly more field presence

[Felinewolfie]

Originally posted by Mindstream:

Originally posted by Felinewolfie:

T34/85 is an amazing tank. You just use it wrong.

Yeah because i have so much control over my tank bouncing and missing all the time.

- I don't have ANY problem stopping in time to aim/fire without penalty, then resume
vrooming. Same with Panther. Get the timing right, and the issue just isn't there.
As Farlon said.

[Felinewolfie]

Originally posted by missharvey <intel>:

t34 85 hard counters every medium tank axis can throw at you, panthers that have marked target on it will be eaten alive

this is probably the best cost to performance tank in the game, huge hp pool and it can wipe infantry and tanks

the only comparable tank worth its price to it would be prenerf comet

id rather have 1 t34 85 than a is2
id rather have 2 t34 85s than a isu152
well for kv2 it depends what map, but usually i would want t34 85s because t34 76s just dont cut it to deal with axis tanks and its vastly more field presence

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Most tanks that are good vs tanks (panther, E8, S76)(SU85) suck vs Infantry.
Most tanks that are good vs infantry (T34/76/S75, StuIIIE, Scott) suck vs tanks.

The T34/85 is one of those few who have good vs tanks, good health pool AND
good anti tank penetration.

I prefer T34/76 generally, because cheaper, easier to spam and eats infantry alive.
But when Panthers appear, it doesn't cut the mustard.

T34/85 eats Axis tanks alive. ... Without sacrificing anti infantry firepower.

[Cobravirus]

T34/85s do everything right and nothing wrong; rips through infantry, can rip through tanks, and has a relatively low cost for it's performance. You can push out 2 34/85s fast and they will wipe out a Panther no problem (if it's unsupported).

[LCcmdr]

In a tank duel, the Panther will eat a T34-85 rapidly: it's an armor issue. The Panther shoots way better on the move than the 85. And, the 85s must get side shots to hurt a Panther. But, once a Panther's health starts deteriorating, an unhurt 85 can kill it with health left over. And, once your 85 gets 2 or 3 star veterancy, it really becomes a killer.

Hope that's clear: don't pit a singe 85 against a Panther (or even a P4 sometimes).

OTOH, when using combined arms, a Panther will go down quickly because it is overwhelmed with too much to target. This is where lowly Conscripts shine--tank AT nades to damage engines. Add a Zis3 AT gun to somewhat force the Panther to keep its frontal armor in that direction, so now your single 85 can attack from the side or rear. That's the great kill zone.

Sometimes RNG is just against you, and it sucks.

[alprazolam consumer]

Originally posted by Mindstream:

Originally posted by Farlon:

Stop firing on the move. T-34-85 is great against P4's and infantry and hits pretty consistently but it has poor moving accuracy (like all tanks except USF). It won't 1v1 a panther (it has a chance to, though) but it's not meant to counter them, just like panzer 4's aren't meant to 1v1 SU-85's or KV-1s.

Im not expecting it to beat a panther, however it often barely scratches them: even when im using 2 of them or 1 and mark target they fail to kill one from the front. Hell it often even struggles aganst p4s.

And its moving accuracy definetly is terrible. You can say "well just dont move and shoot". However at least for me that just doesnt work with the playstyle of the tank. The t-34-85 is a more aggresive P4, used to overwhelm enemies and take out axis armor by flanking and or outnumbering. having to sit still whilst shooting really hinders that.
Honestly not seeing much reason to no just stick with T-34-75 + SU-85 instead from my experience , those tanks are at least good at their job.

How much have you used the t-34-85?

yeah, its moving accuracy is terrible, all tanks get the exact same moving accuracy penalty so
how is it supposed to outnumber axis tanks when it costs the same as a p4, what it is is a good medium comparable to a better pz4
if you prefer t34 and su, go ahead, no one's stopping you

Originally posted by Mindstream:

Originally posted by Farlon:

You can still move a lot but you should always press S (or whatever hotkey it is for you) to stop before each shot and move afterwards. That way you can remove the moving accuracy penalty but still retain the speed. And if 2 T-34-85's couldn't kill a panther with mark target, you have really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rng there. And I used it quite often but I'm not a fan of the doctrines it's in. Usually, I just play some meme builds or get an IS-2 because big tanks make me wet.

I mean 1+mark target for clarity. And the problem with panthers is they just speed away when in trouble and then the t34-85 just cant kill it.

Though ironically i pick the doctrine not because of the tank but bc sometimes i need guards + heavy mortar. Well i gues ill stick to IS-2/ISU-152. Not hot on further challenging RNG.

so your problem is panthers reverse?
yeah, nothings gonna be able to kill it when it's out of range duh, SUs only do that to bad players but that's about it, is every tank that isn't a td bad now because enemy tanks reverse and they can't kill it then?

[Trem]

T34/85 is one of the best medium tanks in the game. Butchers infantry and performs extremely well in pairs (or more) against any armour.

Alone it isn't a huge threat but it will beat a Panzer or StuG 1vs1 consistently.
Against a Panther it's at a slight disadvantage due to range, but it fires faster. 2 of them will punk a Panther or even heavier tanks with ease.