Tiger Ace stronger than the King Tiger?

[Neckstabba]

Hey, yeah i saw some posts about that the Ace is stronger than the KT bc he dosent need techs etc. ? Thanks for some infos :P

[sjeggy6]

yea it is which i found weird, because even the t34 can hurt a köning but a tiger 1 just kills it without damage

[BOT Fredi]

yea, sure. a tiger ace starts with 3 stars, so the complete behavior of the tank is better. it changes, if you can push the KT to 3 stars. but since last update german and okw tanks are much less worth than bevor. now the russian isu-152 is THE imba unit at all, nearly undestroyable and movment is much much better than german heavy tanks.

[Neckstabba]

Originally posted by »»»♥♥♥♥♥cat.1337«««:

yea, sure. a tiger ace starts with 3 stars, so the complete behavior of the tank is better. it changes, if you can push the KT to 3 stars. but since last update german and okw tanks are much less worth than bevor. now the russian isu-152 is THE imba unit at all, nearly undestroyable and movment is much much better than german heavy tanks.

Yeah noticed that, the ISU is REALLY broken atm, the KT cant even pen the front most of the time and just dies vs it... hope they nerf Sovjets and give a little buff back to the German Tanks.. also IF ISU fires at 1 Squad its mostly 1 hit. Even the Jagdtiger has hard times vs it,even tho it got longer range and i think the strongest AT gun.
And ty for clearing me up :)

[Aluminum Elite Master]

Tiger Ace is a 15CP call in for 800 manpower and performs slightly better.

KT requires all three OkW buildings built, plus 700+ manpower, plus 200+ fuel, and is slower and doesn't do much more dmg.

The only catch to the Tiger Ace is that you can only build it once and it reduces fuel income to about zero while it is out. But otherwise, Ace is the better of the two, currently.

[andrelemgard]

Jagdtiger as long as you have support

[Deadlylag]

Originally posted by AndyMage:

Originally posted by »»»♥♥♥♥♥cat.1337«««:

yea, sure. a tiger ace starts with 3 stars, so the complete behavior of the tank is better. it changes, if you can push the KT to 3 stars. but since last update german and okw tanks are much less worth than bevor. now the russian isu-152 is THE imba unit at all, nearly undestroyable and movment is much much better than german heavy tanks.

Yeah noticed that, the ISU is REALLY broken atm, the KT cant even pen the front most of the time and just dies vs it... hope they nerf Sovjets and give a little buff back to the German Tanks.. also IF ISU fires at 1 Squad its mostly 1 hit. Even the Jagdtiger has hard times vs it,even tho it got longer range and i think the strongest AT gun.
And ty for clearing me up :)

The ISU-152 is not broken. The ISU-152 cannot fire when its on the move. Flank the ISU and force it to move. Learn how to flank.

The King Tiger is slow very slow compare to the Tiger Ace. It turret rotation is also slow. That means it won't be able to flank the ISU well. Unlike the Tiger, the King Tiger needs support. The King Tiger is very strong when it push with other units. It also very strong at defending a point with other units. It becomes weak when its support units are gone and have to fight alone.

This was before they nerf the ISU-152. Tigers flanking.
HelpingHans (SU) vs Surprise (OH)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbXlKr5rPwg

Recent video. Proper use of King Tiger and Jagtiger vs ISU
2v2 Marcus/Jesulin (US/SU) vs Xeno/QMotion (OKW/OKW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqOnqCPnyUM&list=UUKmfxfyHrZeX6OHAg0lwjgw

[AchtAchter]

The Tiger Ace is the best unit in game.
Compared to the king tiger
It has
The same health
Higher dps
Faster
Better turret speed
Blitz ability is longer
Target weak point ability
Can pop smoke

No tank in the game can compete with that.

[Neckstabba]

Thanks for all the answers :D

[Aristotle Full Throttle]

Just played a game of 3vs3 at Lazur and my TA racked up 14 vehicle kills (multiple IS-2s, Wolverines, Jackson Tank Destroyers, and Bulldozer Shermans in total 38000 damage and 1860% efficiency with my KDR being 270 for 99, so almost a 3 for 1) that were supported by Pak40s, M57s, and raketenwerfers along with a throng of HMGs and riflemen and some captains in a close CQB area of the right side at the VP with the two bridges destroyed and 83 infantry killed as well. The beast isn't killable unless you have long range high DPS and the guy is foolish enough to lose it.

Its an army all by itself.

[mustachewarfare]

tiger ace is vastly superior compared to KT.
1. Better DPS
2. Better survivability (KT has more armour but tiger ace's superior mobility and defensive smoke allows tiger ace to get away from stringy situation way more easily)
3. Better sight (Tiger ace can perform in a sense a recon role which is awesome since Tiger's main purpose is to serve as a meat shield. Meat shield and forward observer in one package now that's a bargain)
4. Better mobility means it can project power more easily and possibly flank enemies and prevent it self from being in sticky situation
5. Can stun enemy tank

Cost wise tiger ace is superior even if one consider its resource penalty. Nonetheless, KT has its own merit that it is not tied to doctrine. Too bad it doesn't have smoke which could have make it OP though. (German tank's blitz+panzer tactician generally means it is really hard to kill it outright)

[[✰Coco✰] Kanade Yoisaki]

this video here is a great example of how to lose a Tiger Ace
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=304915330

[butterfingers158]

Originally posted by HKG✰ Eli "Eri" Ayase:

this video here is a great example of how to lose a Tiger Ace
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=304915330

Kills 2 ISU-152 and could have escaped had he used smoke and blitz.

Seems legit.

[[✰Coco✰] Kanade Yoisaki]

Originally posted by butterfingers800:

Kills 2 ISU-152 and could have escaped had he used smoke and blitz.

Seems legit.

but he didn't because he thought they were easy targets without realizing my Soviet allies were already moving in to respond "deep and hard"(if you know what I mean LOL)
that video is a classic example of a bad German player who wasted a great superb doctrine unit on a stupid gamble like that

[AchtAchter]

That Tiger ace was actually positioned really bad, exposing it's rear armor to one t34

[Bald "1-0-1" Eagle]

I thought an update before made the Tiger Ace basically a vet 3 Tiger. But yeah a Tiger Ace being better than a King Tiger is quite strange, considering the differences in firepower and armour.