Why "PUMA" armored car is so strong?

[Francis S]

Why puma has so good penetration and range? It can kill a t-34 alone!! and can kill with packs almost anything. This unit needs to be balanced! Also everyone in OKW faction are spamming this unit to death. And don't post "OMG L2P NOOB" just because you like "OKW" faction over the american one.

[YCWD]

引用自 doomhammer244：

Puma OP??? Seriously? It is a reasonable and mobile midgame AT-unit for OKW, does not much against infantry and cost 70 fuel, which slows down every further vehicle the OKW-player can bring in lategame, like Panther or Stuka zu Fuß.
A normal unit overall, and exspecially NOT OP!!!

Actually early it does REAL well against infantry considering its AT. Better then the Panther for sure. I underestimated it once and quickly lost 4 members of a Rifle Squad in short order.

[Deadlylag]

Puma vs T34 the cost is about the same. So trading at T34 for a Puma and vice verse are even trade. However Puma will slow down OKW tech for better units.

Mass Spam Puma vs Mass Mass Spam T34. Good game tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qflWfV2Rv4&list=UUKmfxfyHrZeX6OHAg0lwjgw

[mustachewarfare]

Shouldn't puma 5cm AT gun reasonably good at piercing armour? It is similar armament of Pz3's long barrel 5cm gun.

Essentially OKW has choice of choosing over tier 2 or tier 3 as their first truck and then decide whether they chose the other truck or tier 4 truck.

Player who uses puma usually starts with tier 3 truck and this is pretty hafty investment for the player since without tier 2 truck they will have to rely on sturmpio med kit to heal up or spend more MP reinforcing squads which could have been avoided if they were healed into full health.

Also, getting puma means that they will not be able to get actual tank (like panther) by any time soon which makes puma somewhat of risky investment. At best they will just settle with jagdpz4. (Not a bad choice but panther in general require less micro and is more flexible)

Furthermore, after selecting tier 3 now you have choice of tier 2 and 4, without tier 4 you are not gonna get high tier infantry unless you have the right doctrine (scavenge doctrine, Luftwaffe doctrine, and bit of breakthrough doctrine to certain extent) Without tier 2 maintaining your elite infantry force is going to be quite expensive as well.

Now one may suggest of getting tier 2 first and getting tier 3 or getting tier 3 as last.

But this arises problem of puma getting outclassed quite severely. I personally believe puma needs to have at least vet 1 before they enter late game in order to be using worthwhile if the player doesn't choose tier 3 as their first choice puma is not going to be awesome and if tier 3 is their 3rd choice they may as well not bother it.

Tier 3 has its merit but I generally find the safer route of tier 2 and tier 4 (then maybe backteching to tier 3) is more preferable since the only weakness in this tech route is enemy going nuts with light tank spam which is also risky for the opponents to carry out.

[Tankslayer]

Glorious German engineered Puma has 50mm PaK 38 AT cannon. PaK 38 AT cannon wreck T-34 and puny T-70's. Spam Shermans and SU's to counter. (Or AT guns lol)

[Aristotle Full Throttle]

引用自 Tankslayer - Für das Vaterland!：

Glorious German engineered Puma has 50mm PaK 38 AT cannon. PaK 38 AT cannon wreck T-34 and puny T-70's. Spam Shermans and SU's to counter. (Or AT guns lol)

When a Puma has a penetration value of 120 at mid range and nearly double the ROF of most allied medium tanks, and does 120 instead of 160 per shot and is a 3 shot kill vehicle that can also smoke for only 320 manpower and 70 fuel, I would say that is a very good little TD that also has a coaxial mg and a turret which means it is going to kill infantry as well and can flank when you add in its great speed. The Puma if anything might need a second increase to ROF or something, but other than that it is fine or also a decrease in that mg coaxial because as it vets that gun also becomes pretty good.
Aside from that the Ost Heer Puma needs to have its veterancy bonus changed because now with vet 3 its damage per shot is increased to 160 and it also gets a ROF boost which means it is doing a Pak40's worth of DPS and is mobile with a terrific LOS.

[butterfingers158]

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.coh2.org/topic/22753/okw-puma

[Bald "1-0-1" Eagle]

引用自 JHeartless：

M10 Wolverine it has the same range and better Penetration it also has HVAP
to make it pen Heavies unlike the Puma and Overdrive which is like Blitz.

I used two to knock out a Panther like it was a Puma

Edit: Honestly I would prefer the Jack to be doctrinal and the M10 to be buildable because they can be spammed and work better then a Jackson 20 less Pen 10 less range 80 less HPs (for tank combat it might as well be the same 80 makes 0 diff) its also faster.

You've got the same opinion as me about the Jackson, +1.