Overwatch Doctrine vs Scavenge Doctrine

[Ash//Fox]

Last two OKW commanders I don't own, and OKW is the faction I most often just feel like I made a dumb choice with my commanders. Which of these two should I get?

[Felinewolfie]

Both.
Need them all.

[Almost Perfect]

Overwatch offers you a lot more options with JLI, Skill planes and the LefH but Scavenge gives you a pretty nice build with the Ostwind and grenade throwing JLI. If I had to choose only 1 tho, yeah Overwatch.

[Le Negev]

Overwatch.

[fariborz_hashemi2007]

depends on your way of playing

[KVNEN | 박정식]

i like scavenge. you can get an Ostwind REALLY fast that can absolutely wreck the enemy if your timing is right. the JLI is really good and the artillery is really good also. but if you play 3v3 or higher I think Overwatch is best.

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

Scavenge Doctrine. Because JLI, Ostwind, ammo on scavenge and great Arty.
"Great arty" because it covers a large area and it will be buffed next patch.

[Complex Strategy]

In terms of the "meta" it's 100% overwatch. Scavenge is consistently one of the least taken commanders from top players in every game mode. Maybe that will change with the next commander balance patch but until then overwatch is just vastly superior.

[Ash//Fox]

Originally posted by Complex Strategy:

In terms of the "meta" it's 100% overwatch. Scavenge is consistently one of the least taken commanders from top players in every game mode. Maybe that will change with the next commander balance patch but until then overwatch is just vastly superior.

Where are you getting that data? Might actually be helpful.

[KVNEN | 박정식]

Originally posted by Complex Strategy:

In terms of the "meta" it's 100% overwatch. Scavenge is consistently one of the least taken commanders from top players in every game mode. Maybe that will change with the next commander balance patch but until then overwatch is just vastly superior.

bro even HelpingHans made a video talking about Scavenge and how it's really good this patch. I always have Scavenge in my OKW loadout. Overwatch is pretty bad this patch. The early warning flares simply aren't used, the howitzer is underutilised, for the fatherland is underutilised and goliaths are very novel. it's a more fun commander, but for serious games, especially in 1v1 and 2v2, Scavenge is significantly better.

Here's the video by HelpingHans on scavenge by the way!
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7gEF4t7nGo&ab_channel=HelpingHans

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

Originally posted by Complex Strategy:

In terms of the "meta" it's 100% overwatch. Scavenge is consistently one of the least taken commanders from top players in every game mode. Maybe that will change with the next commander balance patch but until then overwatch is just vastly superior.

Noncence. Overwatch is a meme with Goliath. Nothing more. Air support of kind of cool, but everything else is not needed unless you making Yutube video with Goliath wiping blob from 10-th try.

All abilities of Scavenge are used all time and in all situations and all game modes.

[Le Negev]

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

Noncence. Overwatch is a meme with Goliath. Nothing more. Air support of kind of cool, but everything else is not needed unless you making Yutube video with Goliath wiping blob from 10-th try.

All abilities of Scavenge are used all time and in all situations and all game modes.

He's right about the Overwatch's popularity on high levels. Hell, it's the most popular doctrine in 1v1s and 2s. Scavenge on the other hand, well, it's the least pick doc in larger teamgames, and 1s it's the third least pick doc, and in 2s on it's the least.
https://coh2stats.com/stats/week/1617580800/4v4/wgerman
Source if you don't believe me.

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

Originally posted by Le Negev:

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

Noncence. Overwatch is a meme with Goliath. Nothing more. Air support of kind of cool, but everything else is not needed unless you making Yutube video with Goliath wiping blob from 10-th try.

All abilities of Scavenge are used all time and in all situations and all game modes.

He's right about the Overwatch's popularity on high levels. Hell, it's the most popular doctrine in 1v1s and 2s. Scavenge on the other hand, well, it's the least pick doc in larger teamgames, and 1s it's the third least pick doc, and in 2s on it's the least.
https://coh2stats.com/stats/week/1617580800/4v4/wgerman
Source if you don't believe me.

"popular" does not make it good.

[Le Negev]

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

"popular" does not make it good.

And "underrated" does not make it good.
Come on, we can do this all day. In the end it's all a matter of taste.

[KVNEN | 박정식]

Originally posted by Le Negev:

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

Noncence. Overwatch is a meme with Goliath. Nothing more. Air support of kind of cool, but everything else is not needed unless you making Yutube video with Goliath wiping blob from 10-th try.

All abilities of Scavenge are used all time and in all situations and all game modes.

He's right about the Overwatch's popularity on high levels. Hell, it's the most popular doctrine in 1v1s and 2s. Scavenge on the other hand, well, it's the least pick doc in larger teamgames, and 1s it's the third least pick doc, and in 2s on it's the least.
https://coh2stats.com/stats/week/1617580800/4v4/wgerman
Source if you don't believe me.

the problem with that source is that they don't display the CHOSEN commanders, it displays what commanders players have equipped when loading into a match. With only 11 commanders and 3 commander slots, you're more likely to have those sort of commanders equipped, but that doesn't necessarily mean they used them.

I like to compare scavenge doctrine to Rifle Company for USF. On the surface, both Scavenge AND rifle company look incredibly boring, but both are actually quite powerful. Another similarity is that both commanders are off-meta, so you're more likely to shock your opponent. Another example would be Conscript Support Tactics for SOV. It's another commander that is rarely used but can shock your opponent. Tightrope also likes that commander because it's so off-meta that nobody really knows an effective way to counter it.

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

Originally posted by Le Negev:

Originally posted by Crystal meth enthusiast:

"popular" does not make it good.

And "underrated" does not make it good.
Come on, we can do this all day. In the end it's all a matter of taste.

I made the argument that all abilities are easy to use in Scavenge.
But if popularity is key factor, then your link is enough to close the thread.