Why does the AI constantly cheat?

[Saryn]

They get multiple tanks and elite units with no supply line. Why?

[Saryn]

Originally posted by Ban1st:

AI is stupid
but coh 2 community is more stupid
done.
!!!!

Like im not even playing that bad. the AI just decides it gets medium tanks in bulk when I am still struggling to make more than one vehicle. Not even 10 mins into a match with a friend and we are getting reemed by multiple medium/heavy tanks meanwhile even with caches built we can afford just scout cars and like one light tank. We end up using all our resources building anti tank guns and constantly losing them when the AI spams heavy tank 15 minutes in. I know the same company made Dawn of War 2 and the AI in that doesnt cheat. Where the hell did they go wrong with this game?

[ShodaN]

Expert AI cheats resources. Everything below that does not. Generally the AI is terrible at using what it has, regardless of how much it can or cannot produce. Doesn't really matter if they can build multiple tanks earlier, when they constantly throw them away.

[Saryn]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Expert AI cheats resources. Everything below that does not. Generally the AI is terrible at using what it has, regardless of how much it can or cannot produce. Doesn't really matter if they can build multiple tanks earlier, when they constantly throw them away.

See i would believe this if it wasnt for the clear issue that it does still cheat on standard. we get map advantage and then start fortifying and with no supply line they magically have late game units in mid game and in bulk. not even 10 mins in an OKW ai had multiple tanks when not even two minutes ago they were infantry blobbing constantly. There always ends up being like a 2 minute period where they have no units out and then suddenly massive amounts of tanks just retaking the map.

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by Saryn:

See i would believe this if it wasnt for the clear issue that it does still cheat on standard. we get map advantage and then start fortifying and with no supply line they magically have late game units in mid game and in bulk. not even 10 mins in an OKW ai had multiple tanks when not even two minutes ago they were infantry blobbing constantly. There always ends up being like a 2 minute period where they have no units out and then suddenly massive amounts of tanks just retaking the map.

Doesn't really matter what you believe, when it is both common knowledge and has been proven many times over by looking it up in the game files, what the bonuses to AI are on each difficulty level.

Also those "tanks" are most likely just Luchs and Pumas, which are OKW light tanks. Something the AI tends to build all game despite those units being midgame vehicles, that shouldn't be spammed.

If you are having issues with Standard AI, you should pay more attention to the basics. AI is a pushover when you position your units well and keep them alive. It barely knows how to use cover. Most definitly has no idea how and when to stay in cover. Doesn't properly position weapon teams in advance. And overall keeps units exposed and vulnerable far too long.

[Jolie Rouge]

Originally posted by Saryn:

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Expert AI cheats resources. Everything below that does not. Generally the AI is terrible at using what it has, regardless of how much it can or cannot produce. Doesn't really matter if they can build multiple tanks earlier, when they constantly throw them away.

See i would believe this if it wasnt for the clear issue that it does still cheat on standard. we get map advantage and then start fortifying and with no supply line they magically have late game units in mid game and in bulk. not even 10 mins in an OKW ai had multiple tanks when not even two minutes ago they were infantry blobbing constantly. There always ends up being like a 2 minute period where they have no units out and then suddenly massive amounts of tanks just retaking the map.

Use AI allies at the same level as the opponent. I do this with a friend, we "hold the bridge" long enough for the AI to arrive, after that it's a piece of cake.
As you said, the AI will drain resources on heavies and lots of infantry, but your allies will arrive in time to drive them back, using this short window.

[Saryn]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Originally posted by Saryn:

See i would believe this if it wasnt for the clear issue that it does still cheat on standard. we get map advantage and then start fortifying and with no supply line they magically have late game units in mid game and in bulk. not even 10 mins in an OKW ai had multiple tanks when not even two minutes ago they were infantry blobbing constantly. There always ends up being like a 2 minute period where they have no units out and then suddenly massive amounts of tanks just retaking the map.

Doesn't really matter what you believe, when it is both common knowledge and has been proven many times over by looking it up in the game files, what the bonuses to AI are on each difficulty level.

Also those "tanks" are most likely just Luchs and Pumas, which are OKW light tanks. Something the AI tends to build all game despite those units being midgame vehicles, that shouldn't be spammed.

If you are having issues with Standard AI, you should pay more attention to the basics. AI is a pushover when you position your units well and keep them alive. It barely knows how to use cover. Most definitly has no idea how and when to stay in cover. Doesn't properly position weapon teams in advance. And overall keeps units exposed and vulnerable far too long.

They were not pumas and luchs lol jagpanzer and Panzer IVs. I would know because I ALSO PLAY OKW and use those often! Jagpanzer's do not exact go down easy to piats

[Saryn]

Originally posted by Jolie Rouge:

Originally posted by Saryn:

See i would believe this if it wasnt for the clear issue that it does still cheat on standard. we get map advantage and then start fortifying and with no supply line they magically have late game units in mid game and in bulk. not even 10 mins in an OKW ai had multiple tanks when not even two minutes ago they were infantry blobbing constantly. There always ends up being like a 2 minute period where they have no units out and then suddenly massive amounts of tanks just retaking the map.

Use AI allies at the same level as the opponent. I do this with a friend, we "hold the bridge" long enough for the AI to arrive, after that it's a piece of cake.
As you said, the AI will drain resources on heavies and lots of infantry, but your allies will arrive in time to drive them back, using this short window.

At one point we had three players and we were still getting destroyed. I do not understand why the standard AI is so ballbustingly hard meanwhile Dawn of War 2 ret pretty much the same game does not have this issue.

[AtlasRedux]

Because it's horribly programmed. Even on Expert it's going to take a miracle to lose to AI.

[Saryn]

Originally posted by PotatoScav:

Originally posted by Saryn:

They get multiple tanks and elite units with no supply line. Why?

AI have increased resouce income , thats cheating ngl .

This is clearly whats going on because on Easy the AI doesnt even fight back but on standard they magically have more resources at all times and apparently spawn in stuff. Friend and I just did a match and as soon as I got the upper hand on a machine gun crew with some commandos I magically start hearing a panzer iv off screen with no wind up to the engine which I know you can clearly hear coming. So apparently the AI just spawns in stuff just out of line of sight as well and if thats not whats going on then they just magically have more resources at all times.

[Crikey]

Originally posted by Saryn:

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Expert AI cheats resources. Everything below that does not. Generally the AI is terrible at using what it has, regardless of how much it can or cannot produce. Doesn't really matter if they can build multiple tanks earlier, when they constantly throw them away.

See i would believe this if it wasnt for the clear issue that it does still cheat on standard. we get map advantage and then start fortifying and with no supply line they magically have late game units in mid game and in bulk. not even 10 mins in an OKW ai had multiple tanks when not even two minutes ago they were infantry blobbing constantly. There always ends up being like a 2 minute period where they have no units out and then suddenly massive amounts of tanks just retaking the map.

[Crikey]

See i would believe this if it wasnt for the clear issue that it does still cheat on standard. we get map advantage and then start fortifying and with no supply line they magically have late game units in mid game and in bulk. not even 10 mins in an OKW ai had multiple tanks when not even two minutes ago they were infantry blobbing constantly. There always ends up being like a 2 minute period where they have no units out and then suddenly massive amounts of tanks just retaking the map

The thing about A.I, is that it does cheat, but I find that it does it greatly on Expert.
As to the A.I getting medium and Heavy tanks out early, that depends on capturing the fuel. A.I can't built those tanks if you hold both fuel points, of course they can bring out those command tanks and Stugs as part of their command doctrine. I and friend play hard and expert A.I, a lot, we see Expert cheat greatly when it comes to mass troops and light vehicles, thus we make it a task to get those fuel point as quick as possible.
I also know that A.I and it's grenade throwing is like crazy accurate, a single throw by grens and assault troops will wipe out squads in a single hit, if I was to throw grenades like that, I'd be lucky to cut maybe 80% of the A.I squad. Don't get me started on mortar teams the A.I uses, Expert mainly, the A.I spams mortar teams as Germans and their accuracy is spot on, taking out mg buildings and nest with ease, you have to get those mgs out fast or be wiped.

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by Saryn:

They were not pumas and luchs lol jagpanzer and Panzer IVs. I would know because I ALSO PLAY OKW and use those often! Jagpanzer's do not exact go down easy to piats

Yet when I play against Expert AI to test stuff for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles they don't even get to that point at all because they already wasted everything including their base trucks and can be undone with a few squads of mainline infantry and a single AT gun.

So needless to say I don't really see your problem.

[Saryn]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Originally posted by Saryn:

They were not pumas and luchs lol jagpanzer and Panzer IVs. I would know because I ALSO PLAY OKW and use those often! Jagpanzer's do not exact go down easy to piats

Yet when I play against Expert AI to test stuff for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles they don't even get to that point at all because they already wasted everything including their base trucks and can be undone with a few squads of mainline infantry and a single AT gun.

So needless to say I don't really see your problem.

there are multiple people in this thread confirming the AI cheats just stop dude

[EmperorVolo]

Cause the AI is retarded and it's their only chance of beating anyone competent.

[Saryn]

Originally posted by GodEmperor:

Cause the AI is retarded and it's their only chance of beating anyone competent.

meanwhile there is someone trying to tell me that the AI doesnt cheat when multiple people confirm they are. Its obvious they are I only needed confirmation if this was exactly whats going on so thanks for not trying to be "lol mad cause bad" when your losing a 3v3 ai match with 3 players vs 3 ai and you have map advantage this is clearly a case of dev's making their AI cheat to simulate difficulty.. Lots of RTS games do this ♥♥♥♥ and its kinda annoying to include vs ai in your RTS game and then turn around and go "oh yeah and the AI cheats have fun"