How to counter german panzers( mainly panthers) spam in urban maps?

[Ha22y79]

Pure urban map. 2v2
My team play style:
Me soviet: T1 start. Go both T3 and T4. No T2
My team mate British army: AT gus sapms( more than 3) and comets.

I am sorry but we refuse to build:
T-34/85. I will not build any of it untill the EAR patch( or mod) becomes a real game meta. In current meta, T-34/85 even has trouble to pen a panzer4(OST's and OKW's).
"Firefly". It doesn't fit my teammates aggressive play style.

These are ways we had tried and did not really work.
PIAT spam. AT guns spam. T-34 spam. Penal's AT charges. Comets, not in great number.

I know german factions are not OP. So don't take me wrong.
We really need help.

[Skullfumble]

In urban maps? It's like taking a candy from a kid.

Snare it, simple as that.

Panther is easy to kill, until it gets vet 2.

[Sitatop]

Mines, lots of mines. Place them in front of your friend's AT gun wall.

[saymyname]

"T-34/85 even has trouble to pen a panzer4(OST's and OKW's)."

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=t34_85_zis-s-53_85mm_t34_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=panzer_4_75mm_mp

T-34/85 has more pen than panzer 4.

""Firefly". It doesn't fit my teammates aggressive play style."
Aggressive doesn't mean you can spam tanks and frontally face tank destroyers, and win.

They wouldn't be "tank destroyers" otherwise.

Make some tank destroyers..

[Skullfumble]

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

"T-34/85 even has trouble to pen a panzer4(OST's and OKW's)."

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=t34_85_zis-s-53_85mm_t34_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=panzer_4_75mm_mp

T-34/85 has more pen than panzer 4.

He must tried to say that Panzer 4 have difficulties penetrating t35/85 tank.

[Ha22y79]

Originally posted by Skullfumble:

In urban maps? It's like taking a candy from a kid.

Snare it, simple as that.

Panther is easy to kill, until it gets vet 2.

Snare works for 1 or 2 panthers. Sorry to mentioned that our enemies always has more than 3!

[saymyname]

Originally posted by Skullfumble:

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

"T-34/85 even has trouble to pen a panzer4(OST's and OKW's)."

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=t34_85_zis-s-53_85mm_t34_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=panzer_4_75mm_mp

T-34/85 has more pen than panzer 4.

He must tried to say that Panzer 4 have difficulties penetrating t35/85 tank.

Which is not true because t34-85 has 160 pen
Panzer 4 armor is 180.
Basically always penetrated.

[saymyname]

Originally posted by Harry79:

Originally posted by Skullfumble:

In urban maps? It's like taking a candy from a kid.

Snare it, simple as that.

Panther is easy to kill, until it gets vet 2.

Snare works for 1 or 2 panthers. Sorry to mentioned that our enemies always has more than 3!

Maybe leaving the enemy fuel territory wasn't a good idea.

But even at that point, or even against 1 panther, there is no such thing as "try satchels, try t34 spam, try X, try Y"
At guns, tank destroyers, tanks, mines, some of those or all of those combined.

[Ha22y79]

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

Originally posted by Skullfumble:

He must tried to say that Panzer 4 have difficulties penetrating t35/85 tank.

Which is not true because t34-85 has 160 pen
Panzer 4 armor is 180
80% chance of penetrating.

Yes, but it shows lower chance of penetrating on the battlefield. Also, okw's panzer 4 has 235 front armor. Which is way higher than t-34/85 pen data.

[Ha22y79]

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

Originally posted by Harry79:

Snare works for 1 or 2 panthers. Sorry to mentioned that our enemies always has more than 3!

Maybe leaving the enemy fuel territory wasn't a good idea.

Which is wired because we always control one fuel point and half of the map.

[Ha22y79]

Originally posted by Sitatop:

Mines, lots of mines. Place them in front of your friend's AT gun wall.

Good idea. Gonna try it.

[saymyname]

Originally posted by Harry79:

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

Which is not true because t34-85 has 160 pen
Panzer 4 armor is 180
80% chance of penetrating.

Yes, but it shows lower chance of penetrating on the battlefield. Also, okw's panzer 4 has 235 front armor. Which is way higher than t-34/85 pen data.

Panzer 4 okw 150 fuel
SU 85 130 fuel
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=su-85_mp
230 pen (more than what's needed to pen okw pnz4).

There is no thing as "tank destroyers don't fit my playstyle"
Panther itself is a tank destroyer.

[Ha22y79]

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

Originally posted by Harry79:

Yes, but it shows lower chance of penetrating on the battlefield. Also, okw's panzer 4 has 235 front armor. Which is way higher than t-34/85 pen data.

Panzer 4 okw 150 fuel
SU 85 130 fuel
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=su-85_mp
230 pen (more than what's needed to pen okw pnz4).

There is no thing as "tank destroyers don't fit my playstyle"
Panther itself is a tank destroyer.

Urban map. You know there is a su-85 quote says : it will be better if we have a torrent.

[saymyname]

Originally posted by Harry79:

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

Maybe leaving the enemy fuel territory wasn't a good idea.

Which is wired because we always control one fuel point and half of the map.

Map isn't meant to be shared until tank ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ starts.

But even in that case, why your fuel burned out ?
You probably from what i understood spent all fuel on tanks against a (i will say it again) tank destroyer.

Balancing fuel cost to AI and AT vehicles according to your needs is the key.
Get some tank destroyers and coordinate tanks and td (hammer and anvil).

[Ha22y79]

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

Originally posted by Harry79:

Yes, but it shows lower chance of penetrating on the battlefield. Also, okw's panzer 4 has 235 front armor. Which is way higher than t-34/85 pen data.

Panzer 4 okw 150 fuel
SU 85 130 fuel
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=su-85_mp
230 pen (more than what's needed to pen okw pnz4).

There is no thing as "tank destroyers don't fit my playstyle"
Panther itself is a tank destroyer.

Panther is a tank destoryer in this game. But so bad it has so many machine guns and they can kill infantries vey effectively.

[saymyname]

Originally posted by Harry79:

Originally posted by SAY_MY_NAME:

Panzer 4 okw 150 fuel
SU 85 130 fuel
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=su-85_mp
230 pen (more than what's needed to pen okw pnz4).

There is no thing as "tank destroyers don't fit my playstyle"
Panther itself is a tank destroyer.

Urban map. You know there is a su-85 quote says : it will be better if we have a torrent.

Firefly has a turret.
Firefly can pen any tank, including king tiger.
SU 85 on urban map works if microed (only trois point makes it hard because thatmap sucks ).