Infrared STG44 useless?

[Ostoia]

Along with the rest of that doctrine? Standard LMG obersoldaten upgrade is so much better even without veterancy they seem to do so much more damage than the ones with stg44 with vet3 or 4.

[ShodaN]

They have some of the highest (if not the highest) near range dps in the game and get different (better) modifiers against cover than your usual small arms. The LMG34 is great for long range fighting from cover, the STGs are amazing at mid to short range fighting against cover.

[Farlon]

Infrared 44's are better at close range than the LMG could ever be, they also more or less ignore cover.

Originally posted by Ostoia:

Along with the rest of that doctrine?

Lol, this is one of the best doctrines for OKW, command panther, flares, and my personal favourite: "garden your blob" grenades.

[Ostoia]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

They have some of the highest (if not the highest) near range dps in the game and get different (better) modifiers against cover than your usual small arms. The LMG34 is great for long range fighting from cover, the STGs are amazing at mid to short range fighting against cover.

But but but, the description says STGs are good at long range????

[Ostoia]

Originally posted by Faflon:

Infrared 44's are better at close range than the LMG could ever be, they also more or less ignore cover.

Originally posted by Ostoia:

Along with the rest of that doctrine?

Lol, this is one of the best doctrines for OKW, command panther, flares, and my personal favourite: "garden your blob" grenades.

Flrares are good, the rest? I persnoally dont get it. Command panther is just panther? And unless you mass other armour, its just not that good at all for that cost and the grenades are kind of easily avoidable unless the enemy really blobs which is kind of inexperienced player tactic thats gets stopped easily by one mortar...

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by Ostoia:

Originally posted by ShodaN:

They have some of the highest (if not the highest) near range dps in the game and get different (better) modifiers against cover than your usual small arms. The LMG34 is great for long range fighting from cover, the STGs are amazing at mid to short range fighting against cover.

But but but, the description says STGs are good at long range????

Then the description is wrong. Wouldn't be the first or only one. Just test it if you don't believe it.

Originally posted by Ostoia:

Flrares are good, the rest? I persnoally dont get it. Command panther is just panther? And unless you mass other armour, its just not that good at all for that cost and the grenades are kind of easily avoidable unless the enemy really blobs which is kind of inexperienced player tactic thats gets stopped easily by one mortar...

That's wrong. The Command Panther is not just a Panther at all. Its aura has many buffs among better sight for easier control of engagements. It also comes with its own version of mark target so you can pretty much 1vs1 any tank with it.

Infiltration grenades are also very cheap and cover a large area. Harder to avoid than a simple flame grenade. Just don't target them directly onto the squad. Make it harder to dodge yourself.

[Syfe]

Not to mention that the Command Panzer, has a faster rate of fire; as compared to it's standard issue counterparts.

[A Tealeaf]

It is my fav team doc unless I have to get arty, Stg's are situational at best but flares, inv to tac map, Inf grenades and the meme that is auras area all good, shame you can't stack a kt with it tho...

[mustachewarfare]

Originally posted by Ostoia:

Originally posted by ShodaN:

They have some of the highest (if not the highest) near range dps in the game and get different (better) modifiers against cover than your usual small arms. The LMG34 is great for long range fighting from cover, the STGs are amazing at mid to short range fighting against cover.

But but but, the description says STGs are good at long range????

bit of a nit pick but for STG like weapon in the game it has the best long range accuracy

[Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath]

Problem with infrared stgs is that you only get 2. At close range every other close range unit is better just because they have 4-6 close range weapons and mid and long range the mg 34 is better or equal. Same goes for volks stgs or conscript pssh. If they had an mg upgrade too noone would go for half assed close range.

[dan]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

They have some of the highest (if not the highest) near range dps in the game and get different (better) modifiers against cover than your usual small arms. The LMG34 is great for long range fighting from cover, the STGs are amazing at mid to short range fighting against cover.

Wtf but the description says they are strong at long range when you mouse over.

[Katitoff]

IR STGs hjave highest CQC DPS in the game, its also the only weapon in the game that partly ignores cover, it excells in mid range cover to cover shoot outs and its long range dps is also very decent.

Its a good weapon and its never a bad idea to have 1 ober with LMG and 1 with STG.

[Sanest Black Noir Fanatic]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

IR STGs hjave highest CQC DPS in the game, its also the only weapon in the game that partly ignores cover, it excells in mid range cover to cover shoot outs and its long range dps is also very decent.

Its a good weapon and its never a bad idea to have 1 ober with LMG and 1 with STG.

This.

Only on long range, the lmg34 is significantly better than the IR Stg44. So I guess if you are the type of player who always A-moves his Obers, only then the lmg34 is better for you.


And rest of the doctrine useless?? @OP

Radio Silence is kinda meh unless you have an opponent who uses the tactical map a lot. But apart from that:

-most cost efficient grenade attack in the game

- a "recon plane" that cannot get shot down by AA

- a Panther with mark target (that even allows you to skip t4 for a while)

[Ostoia]

Originally posted by NS aerafield:

Originally posted by Katitoff:

IR STGs hjave highest CQC DPS in the game, its also the only weapon in the game that partly ignores cover, it excells in mid range cover to cover shoot outs and its long range dps is also very decent.

Its a good weapon and its never a bad idea to have 1 ober with LMG and 1 with STG.

This.

Only on long range, the lmg34 is significantly better than the IR Stg44. So I guess if you are the type of player who always A-moves his Obers, only then the lmg34 is better for you.


And rest of the doctrine useless?? @OP

Radio Silence is kinda meh unless you have an opponent who uses the tactical map a lot. But apart from that:

-most cost efficient grenade attack in the game

- a "recon plane" that cannot get shot down by AA

- a Panther with mark target (that even allows you to skip t4 for a while)

Command panther is not a call in, it is built in t4 now like all other call ins.

[Sanest Black Noir Fanatic]

Originally posted by Ostoia:

Originally posted by NS aerafield:

This.

Only on long range, the lmg34 is significantly better than the IR Stg44. So I guess if you are the type of player who always A-moves his Obers, only then the lmg34 is better for you.


And rest of the doctrine useless?? @OP

Radio Silence is kinda meh unless you have an opponent who uses the tactical map a lot. But apart from that:

-most cost efficient grenade attack in the game

- a "recon plane" that cannot get shot down by AA

- a Panther with mark target (that even allows you to skip t4 for a while)

Command panther is not a call in, it is built in t4 now like all other call ins.

I really hope you are just trolling here.

It still is a callin

EDIT: Oh and by the way, all heavy tanks are still call-ins (IS2, ISU152, KV2, Tiger, Elefant, King Tiger, Jagdtiger, Sturmtiger, Command Panther, Pershing, Crocodile)

Maybe you should actually play the game from time to time, then you would know such basic things :P

[Zapp Brannigan]

They tricked you. Infrared sights are most effective at night.

THERE ARE NO NIGHT MAPS IN COH2!!!