M4C vs T34-85

[Rippa]

Which do you prefer and why?

[CODGUY]

Originally posted by уголовный баталь:

Which do you prefer and why?

I rarely play Soviets but from most people's accounts the T34/85 is a much better deal. The M4C is the same as the USF M4A3/76mm Sherman with Mechanized Company. That tank is not bad, better than the standard Sherman (as the M4C is much better than the standard T34/76) but it's not as good as the Easy 8 Sherman.

[ShodaN]

You can look up the exact differences here:
https://coh2db.com/stats/

In short the M4Cs upsides are a faster reload, better accuracy on the move and having an additional top gunner upgrade, but its downsides are less health, a smaller area of effect and slightly less penetration.

[Midare-Saki]

i find m4cs are abit harder to play with vs panther. but a t76 seems to kill inf just as fast as a m4c

[Rippa]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

You can look up the exact differences here:
https://coh2db.com/stats/

In short the M4Cs upsides are a faster reload, better accuracy on the move and having an additional top gunner upgrade, but its downsides are less health, a smaller area of effect and slightly less penetration.

Thanks for the link.Which would be better at fighting a Panther tho?

[Ӝ ҶѦӍѦԒ Ӝ]

one panther, all gone :D

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by уголовный баталь:

Originally posted by ShodaN:

You can look up the exact differences here:
https://coh2db.com/stats/

In short the M4Cs upsides are a faster reload, better accuracy on the move and having an additional top gunner upgrade, but its downsides are less health, a smaller area of effect and slightly less penetration.

Thanks for the link.Which would be better at fighting a Panther tho?

Neither is a good choice specifically for that. The Panther is an AT focused vehicle with good armor. That's nothing you should try to take down with (advanced) medium tanks alone. Unless you are in such a lead, that you can just overwhelm them 2vs1 each, I guess.

If you want to deal with Panthers as Soviets, then you got better options: a) Everything infantry based like the Zis or units with PTRS will not get hurt by the Panther unless it gets really close with its top gunner. And b) SU-85s outrange them and can spot for themselves, so as long as you keep around ways to slow down the Panther you got nothing to fear.

The key to taking on Panthers is really to take away their speed, then pick them off. Your mediums can come into play, when chasing down a badly hit Panther to ensure a kill.

[Striker5810]

However, if you want a medium out of those 2 that could 1v1 a panther, the sherman at vet 3 with HVAP rounds, it has great pen then but you have to get it to vet 3 then, cause vet three gives it a pen bonus on top of the HVAP bonus of pen and accuracy
However I prefere the t34 85 mainly because of the commanders you can get it in, lend lease is a bit gimmicky and the usf mechanized is all over the place, but guards combined arms is great as well as advanced warfare

But I do agree with ShodaN, its better to use infantry AT or an at gun, or even using a medium to bait the panther to chase you into your at guns/AT infantry (or if you're using guards use them to button the panther and flank it with the t34 85)

[CatMeowMeow]

https://coh2db.com/stats/

Off topic.. there's a new reliable stats website???

[Rippa]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Originally posted by уголовный баталь:

Thanks for the link.Which would be better at fighting a Panther tho?

Neither is a good choice specifically for that. The Panther is an AT focused vehicle with good armor. That's nothing you should try to take down with (advanced) medium tanks alone. Unless you are in such a lead, that you can just overwhelm them 2vs1 each, I guess.

If you want to deal with Panthers as Soviets, then you got better options: a) Everything infantry based like the Zis or units with PTRS will not get hurt by the Panther unless it gets really close with its top gunner. And b) SU-85s outrange them and can spot for themselves, so as long as you keep around ways to slow down the Panther you got nothing to fear.

The key to taking on Panthers is really to take away their speed, then pick them off. Your mediums can come into play, when chasing down a badly hit Panther to ensure a kill.

I dont intend to use them solo against Panthers.

[Striker5810]

Originally posted by CatMeowMeow:

https://coh2db.com/stats/

Off topic.. there's a new reliable stats website???

not that I know of, but this isnt that bad considering its up to date till about early 2018 i think

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by CatMeowMeow:

https://coh2db.com/stats/

Off topic.. there's a new reliable stats website???

It's the best we got. When in doubt you can always check it against patch notes. I guess it is based off what community member Cruzz made originally as a spreadsheet, that later on got a UI added. Used to be a file you could download and open with a browser, but I guess someone took it up and put it on a website. The "updated on" remark can't really be right, because it features accuracy stats and the like that were changed way after that date.

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by Striker5810:

However, if you want a medium out of those 2 that could 1v1 a panther, the sherman at vet 3 with HVAP rounds, it has great pen then but you have to get it to vet 3 then, cause vet three gives it a pen bonus on top of the HVAP bonus of pen and accuracy
However I prefere the t34 85 mainly because of the commanders you can get it in, lend lease is a bit gimmicky and the usf mechanized is all over the place, but guards combined arms is great as well as advanced warfare

But I do agree with ShodaN, its better to use infantry AT or an at gun, or even using a medium to bait the panther to chase you into your at guns/AT infantry (or if you're using guards use them to button the panther and flank it with the t34 85)

Since when does the Lend Lease Sherman have HVAP rounds? It doesn't gain penetration or accuracy from vet either. Instead it gains reload and mobility bonuses.

Despite what CODGUY stated, the M4C is NOT the same as the 76mm Sherman USF has, so no upcoming changes to the Mechanized Company will affect it either.

[CatMeowMeow]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Originally posted by Striker5810:

However, if you want a medium out of those 2 that could 1v1 a panther, the sherman at vet 3 with HVAP rounds, it has great pen then but you have to get it to vet 3 then, cause vet three gives it a pen bonus on top of the HVAP bonus of pen and accuracy
However I prefere the t34 85 mainly because of the commanders you can get it in, lend lease is a bit gimmicky and the usf mechanized is all over the place, but guards combined arms is great as well as advanced warfare

But I do agree with ShodaN, its better to use infantry AT or an at gun, or even using a medium to bait the panther to chase you into your at guns/AT infantry (or if you're using guards use them to button the panther and flank it with the t34 85)

Since when does the Lend Lease Sherman have HVAP rounds? It doesn't gain penetration or accuracy from vet either. Instead it gains reload and mobility bonuses.

Despite what CODGUY stated, the M4C is NOT the same as the 76mm Sherman USF has, so no upcoming changes to the Mechanized Company will affect it either.

M4C does not get HVAP rounds like 76mm Sherman?

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by CatMeowMeow:

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Since when does the Lend Lease Sherman have HVAP rounds? It doesn't gain penetration or accuracy from vet either. Instead it gains reload and mobility bonuses.

Despite what CODGUY stated, the M4C is NOT the same as the 76mm Sherman USF has, so no upcoming changes to the Mechanized Company will affect it either.

M4C does not get HVAP rounds like 76mm Sherman?

Well damn if they didn't hide that change at least a little... just found it in the changelog under the changes to the USF 76mm. "--Soviet Sherman now has the exact same abilities and veterancy as the American M4A3 76mm."

Wouldn't one expect to find it under Soviet changes? Well nvm then.

[in7ocat]

Originally posted by CatMeowMeow:

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Since when does the Lend Lease Sherman have HVAP rounds? It doesn't gain penetration or accuracy from vet either. Instead it gains reload and mobility bonuses.

Despite what CODGUY stated, the M4C is NOT the same as the 76mm Sherman USF has, so no upcoming changes to the Mechanized Company will affect it either.

M4C does not get HVAP rounds like 76mm Sherman?

Both M4C Sherman Tanks will receive HVAP rounds as a togglable ability the HVAP will get increased penetration but will lower the reload time. With the HVAP rounds the tank acts like a low range low firerate (at vet 0) Tank Destroyer that can pen Panthers however it cannot charge them efficiently and should try only to get single shots to finish or to push the panther anway and then change back to the usual rounds to combat infantry.

The soviet M4C will also receive the Smoke Screen and the Radionet ability these changes will probably get introduced with the patch that works mostly like the current Commander Revamp Mod and probably gets introduced in mid december.