How to counter Volks+STG blob as SU

[brutebane554]

Hey COH2 community its been a very long time since I have played any MP and I would like some advice on how best to counter the never ending blobs of volks with STG's, I have tried blobbing penals as well as trying to counter with shock troops and building a T-70 but the only thing that seems to have any effect is spamming HMG's at which point the OKW player will either IG me out the wazoo or will already have 1-2 Panzer 4's. Thanks in advance

[Ye's Build'A'Führer Workshop]

Try baiting with demolition charges and use smoke instead of frag when pushing with shock troops.

[brutebane554]

Originally posted by Smell What The Rock's Cookin?:

Try baiting with demolition charges and use smoke instead of frag when pushing with shock troops.

Tried with the smoke but the STG's seem to just insta melt my shocks, I will try the demo charge though

[Ye's Build'A'Führer Workshop]

Originally posted by brutebane554:

Originally posted by Smell What The Rock's Cookin?:

Try baiting with demolition charges and use smoke instead of frag when pushing with shock troops.

Tried with the smoke but the STG's seem to just insta melt my shocks, I will try the demo charge though

Throw smoke on the demolition charge. They can see it if they're close enough.

[tom23456]

Remember the demo is now visible to both sides, and if you like shock troops maybe try to head towards getting a b4

[brutebane554]

Originally posted by tom23456:

Remember the demo is now visible to both sides, and if you like shock troops maybe try to head towards getting a b4

not really a fan of shocks anymore they seem kind of weak, I like guards more but they seem to get insta-wiped by most anything, I tried the B4 once or twice it got IG'd into oblivion one time and the other time it got killed by a stuka halftrack gonna try running penals and see if I can do some sneaky satchels

[ShodaN]

Get at least two Maxims. Kite them with T70, T34.

Don't try to outshoot a blob up close or with singled out units. That's what these kind of players are looking for - killing off your units with extremely high dps in one spot. Just do not engage that without sufficient firepower. Best you engage it with AI vehicles so you can easily take advantage of the units being so close together. Remember your objective is to bleed the enemies manpower and wipe squads, not to allow him to do that to you.

[brutebane554]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Get at least two Maxims. Kite them with T70, T34.

Don't try to outshoot a blob up close or with singled out units. That's what these kind of players are looking for - killing off your units with extremely high dps in one spot. Just do not engage that without sufficient firepower. Best you engage it with AI vehicles so you can easily take advantage of the units being so close together. Remember your objective is to bleed the enemies manpower and wipe squads, not to allow him to do that to you.

Just tried this, worked fairly well till he got a luchs then he wiped the board with my maxims and my T-70 got panzerfuasted into oblivion think I just need to become less rusty though

[STALKER ★★★]

Katyushas

[brutebane554]

Originally posted by STALKER:

Katyushas

My main problem with this is it can't wipe the blob unless I get very lucky or have 2-3 of them and by the time I get 1 the OKW player has assumed control over most of the map

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by brutebane554:

Originally posted by STALKER:

Katyushas

My main problem with this is it can't wipe the blob unless I get very lucky or have 2-3 of them and by the time I get 1 the OKW player has assumed control over most of the map

You don't need to wipe it. You need to bleed it. If you can afford one without risk then a Katyusha is going to provide just that. At long range and with close to no effort involved on your side.

Keep in mind that a blobber has close to zero stress a-moving everything in one group. You have to counter that without overstressing yourself as you only got a limited amount of "stamina" to spare. That is easily forgotten, but a very important aspect.

[brutebane554]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Originally posted by brutebane554:

My main problem with this is it can't wipe the blob unless I get very lucky or have 2-3 of them and by the time I get 1 the OKW player has assumed control over most of the map

You don't need to wipe it. You need to bleed it. If you can afford one without risk then a Katyusha is going to provide just that. At long range and with close to no effort involved on your side.

Keep in mind that a blobber has close to zero stress a-moving everything in one group. You have to counter that without overstressing yourself as you only got a limited amount of "stamina" to spare. That is easily forgotten, but a very important aspect.

Again by the time I get a katyusha the game is probobly already over becasue my apponent already controls the entire map, I am thinking that I might try planting mines everywhere to try and bleed the blob as you say

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by brutebane554:

Again by the time I get a katyusha the game is probobly already over becasue my apponent already controls the entire map, I am thinking that I might try planting mines everywhere to try and bleed the blob as you say

As I said, if you can afford it without risk. Otherwise keep with T70s, T34s, Maxim or just match their numbers with infantry and having better cover usage.

On the topic of cover usage - try to do some landscaping whenever possible. That means get sandbags up and use wire to block off cover objects on the enemies side. That way you can use the heavy cover bonus against the blob and buy some time to make positioning adjustments.

[brutebane554]

Originally posted by ShodaN:

Originally posted by brutebane554:

Again by the time I get a katyusha the game is probobly already over becasue my apponent already controls the entire map, I am thinking that I might try planting mines everywhere to try and bleed the blob as you say

As I said, if you can afford it without risk. Otherwise keep with T70s, T34s, Maxim or just match their numbers with infantry and having better cover usage.

On the topic of cover usage - try to do some landscaping whenever possible. That means get sandbags up and use wire to block off cover objects on the enemies side. That way you can use the heavy cover bonus against the blob and buy some time to make positioning adjustments.

My T-70's just keep getting fausted into oblivion so they seem to just be a fuel sink, my new strategy that I am coming up with is lots of penals maxims and mines I'll report back once thats over and done with

[ShodaN]

Originally posted by brutebane554:

My T-70's just keep getting fausted into oblivion so they seem to just be a fuel sink, my new strategy that I am coming up with is lots of penals maxims and mines I'll report back once thats over and done with

T70s have more range than a Panzerfaust and can use recon mode to spot ahead of themselves before engaging. You cannot get fausted into oblivion, if you make smart use of that.

Penals and Maxims would require a T1+T2 start. A pretty risky thing to do as it delays your armor, while the blobber has no real fuel expenses. Also the more you expend the more you need to bleed the enemy to break even of course.

[Felinewolfie]

You need to learn to kite.

I like to pepper mines everywhere then bait him into them. Put demo behind house. Bait him around corner: insta blob wipe.