M20 UTILITY CAR

[Syfe]

I want to like this vehicle. Really.


I've experimented with this thing off and on, but never end up using them; seeing as in I find them to be highly situational.

Yes. They are to be used primarily as a reconnaissance unit.
Yes. They're designed to harass infantry with hit and run tactics.
Yes. They can lay mines and have the ability to fire smoke rounds.
Yes. Their crews are equipped with a bazooka and they love coffee.

Yet, I still can't find a justifiable reason; as to why I should incorporate the M20 into my arsenal.


I feel that unlike the British UC, or the OKW Kubelwagen; the USF M20 takes the field too late to be truly effective.

With the availability of more viable options within the overall USF roster, I simply cannot fathom; as to why I should even consider producing this unit during combat.


The WC51 basically performs the same way, but instead of dropping mines on the ground; it can call in an artillery strike and mark enemy vehicles. Plus, it's much faster; due to the overdrive.

The M8 Greyhound is built on the same chassis, has the same .50 caliber gun and in addition; a 37mm autocannon. It also has a canister shot that decimates squads well enough.

The M5 Halftrack can reinforce and has the option of transporting up to two squads or being retrofitted to become the "Meat Chopper" known for it's capacity to instantly wipe enemy infantry.


Granted, the three vehicles I just mentioned are doctrinal; but are definitely superior in all regards.

I'm just not convinced by the M20 and it's linearity...but I wish I was.

[CursedPanther]

Another problem is that the M20 is very susceptible to the Faust, then your opponent can bring in an HMG34 or 42 to finish it off and they don't even need the incendiary ammo to do it, and there goes a good portion of your early fuel supply.

If I'm to call in T1 first instead of T2, I always bring in the AA halftrack instead. That way it can support your Riflemen with heavier fire power and deal with any enemy recon planes.

[CODGUY]

Originally posted by Syfe:

I want to like this vehicle. Really.


I've experimented with this thing off and on, but never end up using them; seeing as in I find them to be highly situational.

Yes. They are to be used primarily as a reconnaissance unit.
Yes. They're designed to harass infantry with hit and run tactics.
Yes. They can lay mines and have the ability to fire smoke rounds.
Yes. Their crews are equipped with a bazooka and they love coffee.

Yet, I still can't find a justifiable reason; as to why I should incorporate the M20 into my arsenal.


I feel that unlike the British UC, or the OKW Kubelwagen; the USF M20 takes the field too late to be truly effective.

With the availability of more viable options within the overall USF roster, I simply cannot fathom; as to why I should even consider producing this unit during combat.


The WC51 basically performs the same way, but instead of dropping mines on the ground; it can call in an artillery strike and mark enemy vehicles. Plus, it's much faster; due to the overdrive.

The M8 Greyhound is built on the same chassis, has the same .50 caliber gun and in addition; a 37mm autocannon. It also has a canister shot that decimates squads well enough.

The M5 Halftrack can reinforce and has the option of transporting up to two squads or being retrofitted to become the "Meat Chopper" known for it's capacity to instantly wipe enemy infantry.


Granted, the three vehicles I just mentioned are doctrinal; but are definitely superior in all regards.

I'm just not convinced by the M20 and it's linearity...but I wish I was.

This is another example of a way overpriced USF unit. For what it does, needs to be 15 fuel and 250 MP without the need for the armor upgrade (should just come with it standard). Something thats 320 MP and 20 fuel (wait just checked, this piece of ♥♥♥♥ actually costs 340 MP LOL!) that gets shredded to hell by an MG42 is just pathetic.

The problem with your comparisons though is that all those other units you mention are doctrinal. So if you go with the doctrines for an M5 Halftrack or WC51 you are passing on good armor and good infantry so its not worth it. As USF you pretty much have to go with Heavy Cav, Rifle Company, Airborne, MAYBE Mechanized to even have a chance against the German factions.

[COMP DBD 1V1]

the m20 is really good
theyre not that situational, its only specific scenarios where m20 wouldnt be worth its value
yes they really need to reduce its mp cost because its a little insane how for late it arrives

point is that the m20 is the only effective anti sniper tool USF has, so thats already good enough
the long range dps is incredible though so you can infinitely kite infantry and they can never touch the car

m20 just has loads of things that make it good, mines, smokes, free zooka, speed and LOS recon, all in one package. obviously yes, it dies too fast and any vehicle can just sneeze on it and itll die, but the point of the m20 is just to get that sniper, flank support weapons and get recon, not to last you until endgame

the m8 greyhound has a legitimate problem with coming out WAY too late, it arrives shortly before ost hits t3 and they can already field pumas as well which completely makes the greyhound obselete
you mentioned wc51 being better but that simply isnt true, it doesnt have the long range dps of the m20 and if you use it to push infantry and close the gap to deal more dps itll just get instantly fausted, unlike the m20 that can keep its range and kite
you are vastly exaggarting the potency of the m5 quad, yea its good but its not AS good as it was many patches ago where it instantly pinned on the move any squad it was and just chase wipe them, now its just a stationary pin machine with not much long range dps

[CODGUY]

Originally posted by missharvey <intel>:

the m20 is really good
theyre not that situational, its only specific scenarios where m20 wouldnt be worth its value
yes they really need to reduce its mp cost because its a little insane how for late it arrives

point is that the m20 is the only effective anti sniper tool USF has, so thats already good enough
the long range dps is incredible though so you can infinitely kite infantry and they can never touch the car

m20 just has loads of things that make it good, mines, smokes, free zooka, speed and LOS recon, all in one package. obviously yes, it dies too fast and any vehicle can just sneeze on it and itll die, but the point of the m20 is just to get that sniper, flank support weapons and get recon, not to last you until endgame

the m8 greyhound has a legitimate problem with coming out WAY too late, it arrives shortly before ost hits t3 and they can already field pumas as well which completely makes the greyhound obselete
you mentioned wc51 being better but that simply isnt true, it doesnt have the long range dps of the m20 and if you use it to push infantry and close the gap to deal more dps itll just get instantly fausted, unlike the m20 that can keep its range and kite
you are vastly exaggarting the potency of the m5 quad, yea its good but its not AS good as it was many patches ago where it instantly pinned on the move any squad it was and just chase wipe them, now its just a stationary pin machine with not much long range dps

All you have to do is call in a Scout Car, Luchs, AA-HT, Puma whatever to blow it to hell. Like the OP said it comes out around the same time as those units so its pretty useless. You've also given up on AT guns if you tech to it.

[COMP DBD 1V1]

Originally posted by CODGUY:

All you have to do is call in a Scout Car, Luchs, AA-HT, Puma whatever to blow it to hell. Like the OP said it comes out around the same time as those units so its pretty useless. You've also given up on AT guns if you tech to it.

i never said it would counter it
but you still have mines and a zook, so you can always bait it into a mine, or if you cant, you can just hop out and start blasting it with a zook to at least scare them off and buy at least some time to get an appropiate response out to deal with it

you havent given up on AT guns because you can always go airborne/recon if you went LT, so start dropping at guns on the field since it comes out at 4cp

m20 still comes out faster than a scout car or luch so you have some time to deal with the units it was made to counter

[Papa Mussolini's Pizza Service]

Originally posted by missharvey <intel>:

the m20 is really good
theyre not that situational, its only specific scenarios where m20 wouldnt be worth its value
yes they really need to reduce its mp cost because its a little insane how for late it arrives

point is that the m20 is the only effective anti sniper tool USF has, so thats already good enough
the long range dps is incredible though so you can infinitely kite infantry and they can never touch the car

m20 just has loads of things that make it good, mines, smokes, free zooka, speed and LOS recon, all in one package. obviously yes, it dies too fast and any vehicle can just sneeze on it and itll die, but the point of the m20 is just to get that sniper, flank support weapons and get recon, not to last you until endgame

the m8 greyhound has a legitimate problem with coming out WAY too late, it arrives shortly before ost hits t3 and they can already field pumas as well which completely makes the greyhound obselete
you mentioned wc51 being better but that simply isnt true, it doesnt have the long range dps of the m20 and if you use it to push infantry and close the gap to deal more dps itll just get instantly fausted, unlike the m20 that can keep its range and kite
you are vastly exaggarting the potency of the m5 quad, yea its good but its not AS good as it was many patches ago where it instantly pinned on the move any squad it was and just chase wipe them, now its just a stationary pin machine with not much long range dps

This.

[A Table]

Tbh you should get it for the mines alone. They cause some serious damage and complete engine failure...

[drinu019]

I dont think i've ever seen anyone use it in my 600 hrs of playing this game online

[Atlas is]

Originally posted by drinu019:

I dont think i've ever seen anyone use it in my 600 hrs of playing this game online

They were actually played pretty often when the luchs was meta.
But now it seems due to just the Ht getting on the field that it has lost a lot of his appeal.
Most people rather just get Mgs or a AA ht.

[Bobbtom]

You know what would be interesting? If the m20 turret gunner could switch to the bazooka while in the vehicle

[Atlas is]

Originally posted by Bobbtom:

You know what would be interesting? If the m20 turret gunner could switch to the bazooka while in the vehicle

That would be kinda op.

[Striker5810]

Originally posted by Zeva Atlas having a good time.:

Originally posted by Bobbtom:

You know what would be interesting? If the m20 turret gunner could switch to the bazooka while in the vehicle

That would be kinda op.

would it though? the one bazooka isnt great vs armor, and the m20 could still die rather quickly

[Atlas is]

Originally posted by Striker5810:

Originally posted by Zeva Atlas having a good time.:

That would be kinda op.

would it though? the one bazooka isnt great vs armor, and the m20 could still die rather quickly

Well it would kinda end up as a way to cheap alternative to the Stuart that can also switch to a Mg for Infantry and can lay Mines,
I think it's in a pretty good spot right now.
It's a support car.
Only think you could may argue about is changing the Vehicle Crew with Re's maybe due to the Vc beeing pretty bad in combat.

[Striker5810]

Originally posted by Zeva Atlas having a good time.:

Originally posted by Striker5810:

would it though? the one bazooka isnt great vs armor, and the m20 could still die rather quickly

Well it would kinda end up as a way to cheap alternative to the Stuart that can also switch to a Mg for Infantry and can lay Mines,
I think it's in a pretty good spot right now.
It's a support car.
Only think you could may argue about is changing the Vehicle Crew with Re's maybe due to the Vc beeing pretty bad in combat.

i persoanlly have never got the vc out of the m20, just because everytime i need to it gets blown up before they can get out
i do however like it how it is, its just only good vs infantry, and weirdly halftrucks
keep it behind your rifles, lay mines which are equal to only rigel AT mines in points and all without a commander, its the us version of an automatic sniper

[saymyname]

Yeah let's buff some more an ultra meta vehicle...
Why not ?