Only one Commander with Puma for Ostheer :(((

[Graephen]

I'd love some more of those, seriously. They could replace/merge some useless stuff in Ostruppen doctrines, for example and then add the puma. It could also come a little earlier imho.
Not as the cheesy panic-button it was, but maybe buildable from Light Mechanized after going Battle Phase 2?

Thoughts? I want to hear from the more toxic part of CoH2 forums, before posting this on the official ones. Too lazy to login.

[Katitoff]

Vast majority of commanders have just 1 specific call-in.

Ost is too spoiled with all the Tiger commanders, leading players to falsely beliefe commander units should be in more commanders, when its clearly not the case as a lot of units are 1 commander only, some are in 2-3, exclusively Tiger is in whooping 7.

[Felinewolfie]

Originally posted by Graephen:

I'd love some more of those, seriously. They could replace/merge some useless stuff in Ostruppen doctrines, for example and then add the puma. It could also come a little earlier imho.
Not as the cheesy panic-button it was, but maybe buildable from Light Mechanized after going Battle Phase 2?

Thoughts? I want to hear from the more toxic part of CoH2 forums, before posting this on the official ones. Too lazy to login.

I agree with you.
Puma is very useful.

I suggest updating the mobile defence commander so that all 6 abilities are "T0 can build puma in support armor building".

That'll make this commander more useful after filling it with good abilities.

Alternatively, making the Puma non doc would mean giving MG42 T0 to OKW as they long demanded.

Russians would love guards and t34/85 and ISU152 being non doc.

Americans would LOVE Rangers, pathfinders, Sherman 76, Sherman 105, Sherman E8 and Pershing being non-doc.

I love your ideas.
Please be hired by Relic.
The Coh2 community needs you at it's head and helm <3

[Graephen]

Originally posted by Felinewolfie:

Originally posted by Graephen:

I'd love some more of those, seriously. They could replace/merge some useless stuff in Ostruppen doctrines, for example and then add the puma. It could also come a little earlier imho.
Not as the cheesy panic-button it was, but maybe buildable from Light Mechanized after going Battle Phase 2?

Thoughts? I want to hear from the more toxic part of CoH2 forums, before posting this on the official ones. Too lazy to login.

I agree with you.
Puma is very useful.

I suggest updating the mobile defence commander so that all 6 abilities are "T0 can build puma in support armor building".

That'll make this commander more useful after filling it with good abilities.

Alternatively, making the Puma non doc would mean giving MG42 T0 to OKW as they long demanded.

Russians would love guards and t34/85 and ISU152 being non doc.

Americans would LOVE Rangers, pathfinders, Sherman 76, Sherman 105, Sherman E8 and Pershing being non-doc.

I love your ideas.
Please be hired by Relic.
The Coh2 community needs you at it's head and helm <3

Not your thoughts tho

Your "thoughts" are just nonsenical rambling and everyone in here knows that.
Besides, I've never mentioned for it to be non-doctrinal. I'd just love to see it in more commanders and for it arrive just a little later, than an AEC or a T-70.

[Felinewolfie]

No point making a t70 or aec3 if a powerful counter already arrived long before they hit the field.

Like Panther before t34/76.

[COMP DBD 1V1]

why would you want ostheer to be more uncounterable

puma negates allied LV play
they have PG dual shreks and paks and instant death teller mines, is that not enough?

[Felinewolfie]

Originally posted by missharvey <intel>:

why would you want ostheer to be more uncounterable

puma negates allied LV play
they have PG dual shreks and paks and instant death teller mines, is that not enough?

It's NEVER enough :)
Also, wouldn't it remove need for Stuiiig?

Next, he'll ask for 5 men Gren w dual Lmg

[Graephen]

Originally posted by Felinewolfie:

Originally posted by missharvey <intel>:

why would you want ostheer to be more uncounterable

puma negates allied LV play
they have PG dual shreks and paks and instant death teller mines, is that not enough?

It's NEVER enough :)
Also, wouldn't it remove need for Stuiiig?

Next, he'll ask for 5 men Gren w dual Lmg

Don't Brits have that? Oh wait. They do. Except it's Brens, which are more accurate on long range, plus they have the cover bonus, which triggers no matter if the cover is directional and used in the wrong direction, or not. Just touching the cover gives Brits a nice bonus. Kind of hilarious **touches wall and becomes a terminator**

No, I understand why Ostheer needs the weakest mainline infantry - their armor is great, so it needs to be balanced by weak infantry.
But Brits are nuts right now and IS need a nerf.

At least Ostheer gets buffed Stugs and Ostwinds next patch. Screw you.

Originally posted by missharvey <intel>:

why would you want ostheer to be more uncounterable

puma negates allied LV play
they have PG dual shreks and paks and instant death teller mines, is that not enough?

Uncounterable? I've explained why I would put it behind Battle Phase 2 upgrade, which is 90 fuel. That's long after a T-70 has already hit the field. I'm just suggesting a choice between a Stug III G or a Puma, that's it. It used to be a cheesy panic button call-in, now it's kind of obsolete, because it arrives late. So why not the middle ground? Buildable from T2, hidden behind T3 upgrade. It could also replace some of those Tigers, because there are too many Tiger commanders, so that some commanders get more midgame power.

Teller mine is a soft counter... and it's as if nobody used minesweepers, lmao. The balance of this is never that simple as you think. "Build pak". Yes, but what about the infantry? "Build Pgrens." Yes, but they cost even more, than a pak and the upgrade makes them useless against infantry, plus it costs like two teller mines, so likely you didn't build tellers if you went shrecks. Shrecks are great, but a good player will just kite you, so you have to ambush the LV, which is not easy, since they are so fast. So you suggest getting all of this to counter a single light vehicle? Boom. Overhelmed by infantry.

I usually just avoid it or faust it, until I can get a stug to chase it down. Or a Flakpanzer if it's a T-70 and my opponent is using too much infantry.

[BEAR]

Puma should stay okw. Allows okw players a change up in play style with it being non doc.

[Farlon]

Originally posted by Papa Bear:

Puma should stay okw. Allows okw players a change up in play style with it being non doc.

A change-up in style meaning you go for it every single game?