The M4 Sherman

[HunterFromAbove]

Would you consider the standard M4 Sherman any good against other tanks such as Panzer 4 and how often do you use the Sherman tank?

[CODGUY]

The Sherman tank does not preform well against a STUG, Panzer IV, or anything more powerful.

Some might dispute my opinion vs a STUG because the Sherman does have a turret and can flank and kill a STUG under certain circumstances but the STUG has better armor and firepower so as long as it keeps it's distance from the Sherman it will easily kill it.

The Easy 8 and the M4C are a different story.

[A Table]

The sherman is a capable tank, and is best suited to wreck infantry with its HE shells. It's AP rounds aren't the best, but anything below a P4(including the P4 itself) can be a valid target to destroy. It also enjoys a strong pintle HMG, Gyrostabilzers allowing for higher accuracy on the move and smoke canister launchers to cover AT guns or an assault.

In short, it is great in 1v1's and 2v2's, but in 3v3's and 4v4's it's versatility is outmatched by more potent tanks like the panther, tiger, mass stugs etc which are more specialized in the AT departement.

[Julius]

It is quite versitile and best used against infantry,but it can easiyl outmanouver stugs and destroy light armor,even go toe to toe with the Panzer IV,i believe it has a better gun.

[quackcrazycoco]

It on'y works as A table has said in 1v1s and 2v2s, if your gonna do 3v3 4v4 just get a jackson or two since the sherman with it's armor can easily get our matched, use E8s if you want a potent frontline tank for 3v3s or 4v4s. Just don't use the M4 as a reliable tank killer unless it's a stug or light armor.

[Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath]

20-10 less armor front-back, he shells, free smoke, vehicle crew, 10 penetration more and 75% instead of 50% moving acc compared to panzer iv. So its equal if not better than a Panzer iv.

[OutsidR]

Sherman's R junk. We should have been embarrased to field them... IMO

[Lack of Stuff]

Originally posted by CODGUY:

The Sherman tank does not preform well against a STUG, Panzer IV, or anything more powerful.

Some might dispute my opinion vs a STUG because the Sherman does have a turret and can flank and kill a STUG under certain circumstances but the STUG has better armor and firepower so as long as it keeps it's distance from the Sherman it will easily kill it.

The Easy 8 and the M4C are a different story.

I don't recall the STUG ever having better armor than any M4 varient ever (in-game). What's your source?

Edit: All the info I can find says the STUGs have 140 front and 70 rear armor. The vanilla M4 has 160 and 80.

[saymyname]

Arguably the most cost efficient tank in game.

[saymyname]

Originally posted by OutsidR:

Sherman's R junk. We should have been embarrased to field them... IMO

Yep

[quackcrazycoco]

Originally posted by Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath:

20-10 less armor front-back, he shells, free smoke, vehicle crew, 10 penetration more and 75% instead of 50% moving acc compared to panzer iv. So its equal if not better than a Panzer iv.

It's not evne close ot better then a P4, P4 has a actual pen and damage compared to the sherman. Sherman is a infantry support tank. Now the E8 can do damage to the P4 and is almost better but costs more, sherman is just a pathedic exuse for a tank since a T-34 preferoms better then it.

[SnugSnug]

They're great utility/support tanks, i tend to use 1 at a time paired off with something else eg Jackson or Stuart.

[ubermensch]

Its alright but its more to fight infantry more then tanks. I personally feel there should be a way to upgrade the gun at a pretty sizable munition cost. That way your not totally screwed when the panthers in and you need something slightly more beefier then your TD jackons.

[HunterFromAbove]

As far as I remember the Shermans performed much better against tanks in coh1 then here.

[Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath]

Originally posted by =|VivA|= quackcrazycoco:

Originally posted by Hungry Hungry Cho'Gath:

20-10 less armor front-back, he shells, free smoke, vehicle crew, 10 penetration more and 75% instead of 50% moving acc compared to panzer iv. So its equal if not better than a Panzer iv.

It's not evne close ot better then a P4, P4 has a actual pen and damage compared to the sherman. Sherman is a infantry support tank. Now the E8 can do damage to the P4 and is almost better but costs more, sherman is just a pathedic exuse for a tank since a T-34 preferoms better then it.

I wrote that a sherman has 10 penetration more which you can check on the internet or modding tool. Yet you come here and tell us its has none. I really don't know what to say.
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=panzer_4_75mm_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=sherman_m3_75mm_mp

[quackcrazycoco]

Oh my gersh the M4 sherman has 10 more pen or my gersh. That really does not help when a P4 can walk over a sherman easily.