Hand cannoneers

[Kasper]

I've some question about hand cannonneers. I heard they have a bonus against infantry ? I cant find any source of that, is this true ?

Another thing, when I attack Janissaries in cba, I seem to get slaughtered. Do Huskarls have bonus against Janissaries/hand cannoneers ?

[Woodynator]

hand cannoneers (and any 'shooting' unit for that matter) is a counter vs infantry. Therefore huskarls will be slaughtered in even numbers facing jani's or hand cannons

[Kasper]

But hand cannoneers is archery, and huskarls is anit-archery, right ?

[Woodynator]

They dont shoot arrows, do they?

[PercyMain]

Any cav unit is good vs archers.

[Woodynator]

Originally posted by FraggleRock:

Any cav unit is good vs archers.

what does that have to do with anything? :p

[Shinkichon]

Hand Cannoneer - base attack: 17 + 10 (bonus vs infantry) = 27 attack

Elite Huskarl - base pierce armour: 8 + 4 (blacksmith) = 12 pierce armor.

-> A shot from a hand cannoneer does 15pts damage to an elite huskarl. As hand cannoneers cost 50 gold and e.h. still get their +8 bonus (vs archers including gunpowder units), it is risky business to fight off huskarls with hand cannoneers only (huskarls are cheaper and can be massed faster). The solution would be to use tanking units infront of the h.c., e.g. champions, cavaliers, hussars or even halbs.

http://www.net-clan.com/AoKWeb/AoCUnitStatsNoneCable.htm

@CBA: huskarls vs jannis is pretty much a nightmare. You would really have to use some superior micro to stand a chance there (make use of huskarls' speed, distract the jannis with a smaller army to bring a bigger army closer to them, use patrol to clump up the huskarls infront of the jannis etc etc). Best advice in a team game though: run and fight somewhere else ;)

[Kasper]

Originally posted by Woodynator:

They dont shoot arrows, do they?

They are made in the archery, and have range. So that sounds as archery to me.

[Woodynator]

Originally posted by Kasper:

Originally posted by Woodynator:

They dont shoot arrows, do they?

They are made in the archery, and have range. So that sounds as archery to me.

Theyre completely different from archers and serve a completely different purpose though

[LamarVP]

Kasper, from what I know, you are correct.

All units from the archery range qualify as archer units (yes, that includes hand canonneers and cavalry archers)

Janissaries and hand cannoneers have an anti-infantry bonus, while Huskarls have an anti-archery bonus. What does this mean? It pretty much means that they both have a bonus against each other. If the Huskarls can somehow close the gap, then they can slaughter the hand cannoneers / Janissaries very quickly.

[SalaciousCrumb]

I always thought hand cannoneers did melee damage?

[Villa]

Originally posted by Joseph:

I always thought hand cannoneers did melee damage?

Only when they run out of ammo.

[heebie-jeebies]

Hand cannoneers do get a bonus against Huskarls and Huskarls get an attack bonus against hand cannons and all bonus damage lands home. The normal damage is different because the Huskarl's high pierce armor mitigates a lot of the hand cannon's normal damage. However the hand cannon has little melee armor. In a nut shell don't use hand cannons to counter Huskarls. Cataphracts, Jaguars, Samurai, and throwing axeman are excellent counters; champs and paladins are good too.

Jannisaries and conquistadors do not get an attack bonus against infantry.

[Villa]

Originally posted by {DEAD}W@rtorn$@!nt:

Jannisaries and conquistadors do not get an attack bonus against infantry.

Are you sure about jannies? I see them take infantry out quicker than hand cannons

[heebie-jeebies]

They have a higher base attack than hand cannons but do not get a bonus vs infantry. They are still a good counter to infantry though. Huskarls, Eagle warriors, and condottiers (sp) are the exceptions that actually fare well against gun powder units.

[hot_gril]

Originally posted by Woodynator:

Originally posted by Kasper:

They are made in the archery, and have range. So that sounds as archery to me.

Theyre completely different from archers and serve a completely different purpose though

Not really. Janissaries and hand cannoneers are considered archers by the game even though they don't shoot arrows.