Fight with Vikings

[Hamagregorin]

Hi, i want to konw, how i can fight with vikings on a "no-water-map" like arabia
is this useless or are there some nice tricks, i could make
greetings Hamagregorin, Germany

[Hamagregorin]

some taktics or so?

[neydante]

Vikings is probably not the best choice to go for... Anyways, you could always do a feudal rush on arabia, i'd say all the strategies work for every civilization but with for example vikings, it's just a little less efficient.

[Woodynator]

Vikings is not a bad land civilisation. They only lack in post imperial. You objective as a viking player is to end the game before it gets to that point. The massive eco advantage vikings get will help you do that.

[Kawaii bisexual vampire-chan]

Free wheelbarrow and handcart are actually very good advantages. But the swordsman line is a bad choice(most of the time, except for drush and late imp champ-spam) and there is nothing useful at all about Berserks either, so as Viking you will want to make archer/xbow/arbalest your main unit, though you can take advantage of higher HP spear/pikes to deal with knights.

The aforementioned free techs will make you decent in feudal and early castle wars, so all things said Vikings aren't ~terrible~ at land, they're just not super great at it. As other people have mentioned, you probably don't want to choose Vikings if you know it's going to be a land map. But if you play Full Random or Blind Random, then Viking can be a very good choice - if you get a water map, you're golden; if you get a land map, well, at least you're not the Koreans.

[Hamagregorin]

thanks to all

[Woodynator]

Originally posted by Harald Hardrada:

I'm the first ranked Viking player on HD, I know how to play them.

This made me giggle ^^ (no offense)

I saw the highly anticipated game between you and guignol on BF, which clearly showed you might have to tone down a bit with saying 'I know how to play them', because its clearly not the case :P

That being said, I read diagonally through your essay, and it was quite alrightish, be it basic ofcourse.

[DarK | Adélie]

Originally posted by Woodynator:

Originally posted by Harald Hardrada:

I'm the first ranked Viking player on HD, I know how to play them.

This made me giggle ^^ (no offense)

I saw the highly anticipated game between you and guignol on BF, which clearly showed you might have to tone down a bit with saying 'I know how to play them', because its clearly not the case :P

That being said, I read diagonally through your essay, and it was quite alrightish, be it basic ofcourse.

I was so tired and it was a ton of lag. Didn't played well at all but he still played very noobish, mass pallies will be destroyed with mass pikes. He just fooled me with these bombards, thought he'll go noob bombard strange combo + gunpowder
I accept the defeat but still this game is not representative of my Viking skills at all
EDIT: Plus he should've taken the middle in the first place but that was my fault wasn't it? The first villager skirmish was really the key, I wanted to take the middle and flush him

[Woodynator]

Originally posted by Harald Hardrada:

Originally posted by Woodynator:

This made me giggle ^^ (no offense)

I saw the highly anticipated game between you and guignol on BF, which clearly showed you might have to tone down a bit with saying 'I know how to play them', because its clearly not the case :P

That being said, I read diagonally through your essay, and it was quite alrightish, be it basic ofcourse.

I was so tired and it was a ton of lag. Didn't played well at all but he still played very noobish, mass pallies will be destroyed with mass pikes. He just fooled me with these bombards, thought he'll go noob bombard strange combo + gunpowder
I accept the defeat but still this game is not representative of my skills at all

Thats just a load of excuses lol. You clearly had no clue how to push in or how to coope with guignol's walling. On top of that, you had like what, a 20 minute fast castle?

Oh yeah, mass pikes get destroyed by mass frankish paladins. Its not cost effective, but thats a different matter. Since you lack the speed of replenishing your units quickly, the paladins just storm through.

Lastly, calling your opponent a 'noob' is quite harsh, since you're not better in any way. Throughout the game, there were no signs that he was worse than you. His castle time was slower if I remember well, but he outboomed you anyways. Then he made the right tactical choices to wait until he had infinite resources, deleted his vils and charged in with 150 paladins.

You got outplayed in almost all aspects of the game, therefore mister, you are the bigger noob in this noobfight.

[DarK | Adélie]

Originally posted by Woodynator:

Originally posted by Harald Hardrada:

I was so tired and it was a ton of lag. Didn't played well at all but he still played very noobish, mass pallies will be destroyed with mass pikes. He just fooled me with these bombards, thought he'll go noob bombard strange combo + gunpowder
I accept the defeat but still this game is not representative of my skills at all

Thats just a load of excuses lol. You clearly had no clue how to push in or how to coope with guignol's walling. On top of that, you had like what, a 20 minute fast castle?

Oh yeah, mass pikes get destroyed by mass frankish paladins. Its not cost effective, but thats a different matter. Since you lack the speed of replenishing your units quickly, the paladins just storm through.

Lastly, calling your opponent a 'noob' is quite harsh, since you're not better in any way. Throughout the game, there were no signs that he was worse than you. His castle time was slower if I remember well, but he outboomed you anyways. Then he made the right tactical choices to wait until he had infinite resources, deleted his vils and charged in with 150 paladins.

You got outplayed in almost all aspects of the game, therefore mister, you are the bigger noob in this noobfight.

All you said it totally irrelevant. I boomed better than him and had the upping advantage in both Castle and Imp. If I just knew he wasn't total noob I'll just do 20+ barracks pike and it will be GG gold starvation. And yes of course it's a cost effective trade, even if you need more than one pike to kill a Paladin, paladins cost infinitively more gold than a pike are long to create.
Massing paladins is ZERO skill level. The only reasons he wins it's because he has done his theater with his bombards and at this point he was like, 4 stone walling? You can't do anything at this point even with mass siege rams.

Thus I'll stop this pointless conversation, taking account of a BF game where it was like 50 min endless uncrossable wall game backed by bombards make you the super noob of us three. If only you got just a drop of relevance in what you say I will trust you, but it's all inventions at this point.

[FE_HockeySam18]

Originally posted by Woodynator:

Vikings is not a bad land civilisation. They only lack in post imperial. You objective as a viking player is to end the game before it gets to that point. The massive eco advantage vikings get will help you do that.

This.

Oh and please drop the arguments, btw =)

[Shinkichon]

"I know how to play Viking"
Lag as an excuse in a BF 1v1?
"I boomed better than him"

Lol, you got outplayed strategically - it's not even funny. Before you guys started fighting, you were 2500 score behind 11

Please, man. I'm on TS, we're reading your postings here and the one on aoczone (you broke you promise, btw - that not very gentleman-like) and we're busting in tears laughing here :P

I'm sure you saw Melkor vs Edie afterwards. Try to learnsomething from that just shut up about your "skills" and "game knowledge" until you get a 1600+ insight maybe.

[Woodynator]

Originally posted by AoF_HockeySam18:

Originally posted by Woodynator:

Vikings is not a bad land civilisation. They only lack in post imperial. You objective as a viking player is to end the game before it gets to that point. The massive eco advantage vikings get will help you do that.

This.

Oh and please drop the arguments, btw =)

Seems like the argument and public humiliation shifted to aoczone.net anyways.

Anyways Harald, on the steam forums you might get away with your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but on aoczone you will get massacred. Dont act like you know it all, because you dont. Dont call people wrong who are about twice or triple as good at this game than you are (in this case: me)

[Spaden]

Lol, this is hillarious. I guess Phillipe is a hero here on Steam and considered expert :P

[Kaillerman]

As in any other gae, the micro is a hard but powerful skill to have. Even more with vikings. don't forget your berserker will regenerate over time, monk is still useful but with a good micro you can always back your wounded unit back and continue the attack. you can then send back your berserk back to fight. If you masterize this technique it will serve you a lot whatever the tactic you choose.

As berserk are low in health, make sure you upgrade defence first in the forge. so as soon as you get to castle age boost their defence. if you are faster than your opponnent this will give you a huge advantage. for a push, use cavalry in the fight first then a combination of berserk AND archer ( whatever they are, archer are always useful) just behind your cavalry so the cavalry take the first damage before your berserk. follow this by rams. Remember that if you put your berserk in the rams, they still regenerate ;) so to take down a castle just put the berserk in the rams so they are protected and as soon as something approach your rams ( if you are unable to defend them with your cavalry or you don't have any left) you unleash the kraken and put it back in as soon as you can.

My advice for the viks for a map with no water. USE YOU BERSERK, if you don't know how to micro, just play another civ like persians where you send your tank (elephant) on the battle and then wait for things to be cleared xD.