Gbeto question

[Bomjus]

Is there a reason to use these over a civ that has good hand cannoneers?

from what ive seen gbetos are faster, more accurate, have 10 more hp and 10 less gold cost, while hand cannoneers have 1 base armor, 2 more range (with siege engineers), have 17 attack compared to elite gbeto 16 with upgrades, and can be built at the archery range meaning mass them is easier. idk if the gbeto attacks faster or something but just curious as to what makes them a better choice.

[gagman]

For me Gbetos are more like an Throwing Axeman, how it comes you compare them with Hand Canoneers ?I can tell just just the reload time for the attack: Hand Canoneer: 3.45 seconds and Gbeto 2 seconds so they attack faster. while gbeto have 100 % accuracy percent Hand Canoneers only have 65% with an error radio of 0.75

[Bomjus]

ah the attack rate is huge. didnt know that. that makes all the difference thanks a lot

[Judging24/7]

Gbetos are some seriously awesome units. They're really tough units to handle when amassed, and lay waste to any siege weapons you hold dear. They're like throwing axemen you have to micro a little bit more, but they yield better results as a whole.

[Auua XII]

gbeto is hardly same hard as harald hardradde

[theworld]

> 2 more range (with siege engineers),

LOLWUT

[Auua XII]

but hardradee range is 5

[Bomjus]

Originally posted by TheWorld:

> 2 more range (with siege engineers),

LOLWUT

elite gbetos have 6 range. hand canoneers have 7 range and then get 1 for siege engineers. thats 8. or does siege engineers not apply to them. thought it did? oh well my mistake bruh

[Ashur_Arbaces]

Originally posted by Bomjus:

Originally posted by TheWorld:

> 2 more range (with siege engineers),

LOLWUT

elite gbetos have 6 range. hand canoneers have 7 range and then get 1 for siege engineers. thats 8. or does siege engineers not apply to them. thought it did? oh well my mistake bruh

Siege engineers only affects (elite) organ guns, scorpion line, onager line, bombard cannon, trebuchet, ram line and petards (the last two are only affected by the increase in damage against buildings that siege engineers gives, not the range increase).

[Devang]

They're also the third fastest Infantry after Eagles and Woad Raiders

Eagles - 1.30 x 1.10 (Squires) -> 1.43 Units / Second

Woads - 1.20 x 1.15 (Celtic Bonus) -> 1.38

Gbeto - 1.25 x 1.10 (Squires) -> 1.375

Shotel and Condotierro - 1.20 x 1.10 (Squires) -> 1.32

Hand Cannoneers have a move speed of 0.96 units.

Hand Cannoneers have a +10 bonus attack vs. Infantry.

[Bomjus]

Originally posted by Devang:

They're also the third fastest Infantry after Eagles and Woad Raiders

Eagles - 1.30 x 1.10 (Squires) -> 1.43 Units / Second

Woads - 1.20 x 1.15 (Celtic Bonus) -> 1.38

Gbeto - 1.25 x 1.10 (Squires) -> 1.375

Shotel and Condotierro - 1.20 x 1.10 (Squires) -> 1.32

Hand Cannoneers have a move speed of 0.96 units.

Hand Cannoneers have a +10 bonus attack vs. Infantry.

dang that is pretty speedy. so basically the only thing hand canoneers have over gbetos is 1 range. since the bonus vs infantry is kind of negated by their low accuracy compared to the gbeto.

[Devang]

Pretty much. Another thing to consider is, Gbetos are Infantry; unlike Hand Cannons they take no bonus from trash either.

[Bomjus]

Originally posted by Devang:

Pretty much. Another thing to consider is, Gbetos are Infantry; unlike Hand Cannons they take no bonus from trash either.

what do you mean? like champions have no bonus against them? (gbetos)

[Devang]

I mean Hand Cannoneers take bonus from Skirmishers and Genitours, Gbetos don't.

Trash unit means any unit that doesn't cost Gold, Spearmen, Skirmishers, Scout Cavalry, Genitours (Berbers and allied civs) and Magyar Huszars (after Mercenaries).