AoF Best Civilizations/Strategies

[parktopia]

What is the Best Civ?
The Best Civ for the Forgotten Civs?
The Best Civs For The African Kingdoms Civs?
Strategies and reasons why their the best please.
Lets Make it for Open Maps like Arabia!

[The Very Hungry Caterpillar]

This is really subjective as civs vary by map and other settings.

[parktopia]

Yes but their are definite civs that excel compared to other ones. I'll Start it.
Either Mayans or Incas for the Best Civ.
Incas as the Best Civ For the Forgotten Expansion
Ethiopians for the Best African Kingdoms Civ.
Mayan Archer Flush is Deadly. Incan Trush is Deadly and their unique units are the best in the game. The Ethiopians are deadly no matter what you do with them. The Archer Flush is just as good as the mayan one, Knight Rushes are hard to do against them because they get free pikeman upgrade and their economy is solid. In the late game they have the best onagers in the game and their shotel warriors are so fast to build that you can make a serious comeback in no time.

[Pantera]

another garbage thread. there is no best civ.
you think ethiopians are the best of the new ones, then you must be fine with picking them against malians. Also mayans are from conqueros not forgotten.

[parktopia]

I Realize their is no Best Civ, This is an opinion. I'm wondering if people have strategies for specific civs, particulary the newer ones. I also relize the mayans are from the Conquerors.

[The Very Hungry Caterpillar]

Inca are the best forgotten civ for 1v1 arabia but are terrible in team games and have a terrible late game. Don't expect to hold a flank on black forest as the inca.

Inca's also have the most broken castle age unit in the game, the slinger. Its just too obscenely powerful in castle. I think its fine lategame but castle slinger needs a nerf and an elite upgrade to be relevant the entire game.

Ethiopians have lots of great 1v1 bonuses. They should be able to do well in almost any situation. I think they have a good lategame due to torsion engines. Their siege is really strong.

Berbers, like the incas, have an overly dominant castle age. 20% cheaper knights is far too strong.

[letslearnaoc]

Even though I agree with Pantera in spirit that there is usually a counter system, because the AoE games are not meticulously tested/balanced, for 1v1 arabia it should be possible to determine a #1 civ or at least a top 3.

Just as an explanation, in the conquerors you had the top 3 which were Aztec/Huns/Mayans (all new civs, all made to be much stronger than the rest)

Of them, Huns is the strongest in feudal, but late game Mayans wins vs both. Because maps usually have an "average" level of walling, the mayan wall bonus comes in handy which allows them to force a late game between the players; which favours mayans.

Goths could counter huns/mayan effectively if they weren't so underpowered by comparison.

So could you find a #1 overall best pick for 1v1 arabia in AoFE/AoAK? Probably, it's just hard because not many pros play AoAK and so you never see civs maxed to their potential.

Just looking at the AoAK civs, Eths/Malians seems to jump out as having the best potential for 1v1 arabia; at least from what I've read. Berbers look pretty strong too when they get to castle age. I'd need to see the exact unit stats in order to make a more specific estimate.

[papapaam]

in conquerors Spanish and persians

[76561198307805599]

just full trush 11. aoe2 HD balance is a joke

[bentdor]

You have to know which unit is best against another one and which advantages your enemy civ. has, then you can look how to react on the best way.

At the moment I am working on a handbook which shows that everything, but it will take a while till it'll be a guide on steam

[letslearnaoc]

^ cool! What's going to be in the guide? :D

I know you said everything, but you must have an outline of sorts :P

[bentdor]

Bonus and Team Bonus of each civ. . The best units they have in imperial age.
Which units are best against each units. Strategies and tactics like fast castle, rushing (which I am not fan of, but it shall be a complete guide) and so on and so on

[bentdor]

It is ment to be used while you are playing, I alreay have a part of it on my table when I am playing :D

[The Very Hungry Caterpillar]

Could you include some basic build orders on it? That would be very helpful.

[bentdor]

I'll start a own thread for this discussion :D

[Pantera]

Originally posted by 12BeingRushed:

just full trush 11. aoe2 HD balance is a joke

hd has the way better balance than aoc, nerfed mayans, nerfed huns, nerfed eagle spam.
and stuff that got introduced new can´t of course be balanced right away but it will be with the next patches.