Beating conquistadors

[TerminallyGrill]

Whats the best way to beat conquistadors as a civ with poor archers such as celts? I cant find myself massing siege well enough to mangonel them down and skirmishers just dont cut it. The conq is absolutely bonkers to try fight even with knights and I'm really struggling to find a solution other than to go berbers and use genitours

[grraf]

Wall up& go imp....

[Shade-O]

Good luck.....
Conquistador is the closest thing to uncounterable in this game but there are feasible ways to win as the Celts.
First and most effective thing to do is to rush the Spanish player. Your woodcutting advantage should trump any advantage the Spanish player has. In this case it's important to control the stone and gold resources to prevent swift castle building in the castle age. Celts have excellent rush like tower rush + Man-at-arms rush due to faster infantry or archer + skirms rush due to the woodcutting bonus.

In the castle age, it's going to be hard. Despite the crappy archery range, skirmishers remain vital and you may even want to stick to crossbows untill the imperial age, especially if you have a good amount remaining from the Feudal rush.
Other than the archery units, pikemen and monks could be considered but if the Spanish player is paying attention then using those 2 units can be very hard since the Conquistador has mobility.
Mangonels are still an option but once again it heavily depends on your opponnent micro.

And most importantly, killing a few conquistador while you lose like 10 is often worth it since Conquistador are slow to train and are expensive so replenishing the conquistadors is much harder replenishing skirms.

If you survive till the imperial age then basicly the same principles applies except crossbows should be discarded, stats-wise there isn't much difference between the normal conq and elite conq. (only 15+ hp If i remember correctly). Hopefully by then you've sofistcated siege and plenty of Halbadiers.

[woodsmanac]

Tell me about it.

[TerminallyGrill]

Originally posted by Shade-O:

Good luck.....
Conquistador is the closest thing to uncounterable in this game but there are feasible ways to win as the Celts.
First and most effective thing to do is to rush the Spanish player. Your woodcutting advantage should trump any advantage the Spanish player has. In this case it's important to control the stone and gold resources to prevent swift castle building in the castle age. Celts have excellent rush like tower rush + Man-at-arms rush due to faster infantry or archer + skirms rush due to the woodcutting bonus.

In the castle age, it's going to be hard. Despite the crappy archery range, skirmishers remain vital and you may even want to stick to crossbows untill the imperial age, especially if you have a good amount remaining from the Feudal rush.
Other than the archery units, pikemen and monks could be considered but if the Spanish player is paying attention then using those 2 units can be very hard since the Conquistador has mobility.
Mangonels are still an option but once again it heavily depends on your opponnent micro.

And most importantly, killing a few conquistador while you lose like 10 is often worth it since Conquistador are slow to train and are expensive so replenishing the conquistadors is much harder replenishing skirms.

If you survive till the imperial age then basicly the same principles applies except crossbows should be discarded, stats-wise there isn't much difference between the normal conq and elite conq. (only 15+ hp If i remember correctly). Hopefully by then you've sofistcated siege and plenty of Halbadiers.

forgot to mention it was hideout so I couldn't rush

[Ashur_Arbaces]

Originally posted by Shade-O:

Good luck.....
Conquistador is the closest thing to uncounterable in this game

It was untill RotR introduced armabai. Wich are like conquistadores but better.

[Shade-O]

Originally posted by Ashur_Arbaces:

Originally posted by Shade-O:

Good luck.....
Conquistador is the closest thing to uncounterable in this game

It was untill RotR introduced armabai. Wich are like conquistadores but better.

Somewhat arguable since archers are doing a nice job taking care of Arambais, the real problem comes with the synergy of Arambai, Mangonels and free lumber camp upgrades. I was pretty much talking about the unit on its own in which i think the conquistadors is the better all around unit.

edit: grammar and stuff

[Harry Pioter]

In my opinion the best option are E. skirms ( Vietnamese and their teammates have Imperial Skirms ) or Condotierri and Genitours.

[TerminallyGrill]

arambai can at least be matched by crossbows at max range, conquistadors get 2 pierce armour for free and up to 4 in CA which is stupid for an extremely damaging and tanky CA

[TerminallyGrill]

Bloody hell it costs even less than a knight what is this unit doing in the game

[Harry Pioter]

Originally posted by Sick Ducker:

Bloody hell it costs even less than a knight what is this unit doing in the game

Maybe 'cause spanish don't have xbows

[AticAtac]

As Celts, just make some Monks and TCs to defend yourself until you get a good economy and Imperial Tecs, at that point spanish are no match for you

[Divine Porcupine!]

as the celts in the castle age there is not much you can do against a ton of conquistadors. in imperial age you really need to spam pikes (like 12+ barracks) and siege onagers (like 4 siege shops)

[Masasa]

Celts pikes are pretty nice at scaring them away , monks and eskirns with ballistics are also nice

[Ruinae Retroque Rursus]

Last time I checked Conqs had no anti-inf bonus, unless it's been patched, so Halbs will eat them if whoever you're versing doesn't skirmish with them.

If they do skirmish, pull out the second trash unit - the Skirmisher and just spam more than they do. You won't be outranged providing you're fully upgraded, and while lots of your units will die lots of their expensive, only-trainable-at-castle-so-really-hard-to-spam Conqs will also die.

[Tuetonic Terror]

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