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Those on Voobly will complain about desyncs and "HD pathing" specifically and whilst they're certainly problems I personally think they exaggerate the issue quite a bit. Those are the main gripes that I'm familiar with... maybe he just doesn't care for the DLC aspect of it? I mean, I don't really buy that given how you can play with any data set you choose so having the expansions shouldn't matter. Maybe he doesn't like some of the balance changes his favorite civ got.
As someone with the hard copy of the original game twelve feet from me, HD is an improvement to the original in most aspects in my opinion, and I'll leave my opinion at that. I'd guess he's either a Voobly player or someone who just prefers the older styling, and I wouldn't fault him for either.
(I don't play on voobly but I know plenty of people that do)
Voobly is a free online gaming network with built-in social features designed to allow you to play multiplayer games and interact with your friends online. Some of the core features for Voobly include news-feed+friend system, detailed profile interface, advanced team ladder support, multi-ladder rating system, built-in anticheat software, NAT Traversal for easy connections to players, live game streaming, and many more. ( I totally didn't copy-paste this :P)
Voobly is used to play aoe2 online, just like Steam or Gameranger. To play on Voobly, you need aoe2 + conquerors expansion. It does not support matchmaking for aoe2 HD. You can also use a compability patch if you have Aoe2 HD, but I would not recommend using that, as it's a bit of a hassle to do can can possibly screw up your game. Once you have made an account for Voobly and you have the game installed, you can play games on voobly.
Someone who plays on voobly would probably do a better job of trying to sell you the advantages, but happily I am far too lazy to look into it and more than comfortable with the quality of HD so I haven't really done so. :P
Now that I think about it, he could have been just trying to get a rise out of me. He's one of THOSE people, you know? The ones who just argue for the sake of arguing?
But if he was serious, I wonder why he doesn't like the game?
Thanks for the help though.
being uphill is an advantage for every unit.
Well, I'm not exactly sure. I remember reading some negative reviews from 2013 listing the numerous problems the game had at that time. I think your friend might just have been one of those people who saw the issues it had 4 years ago, and didn't like it. It's possible that the stigma stayed, and he didn't realise that it's better now than it was in 2013. Alternatively, he might have disliked the way the new civs and expansions worked, or that he was uncomfortable with the changes they made.
I hope my input helps you!
Setting up the compatibility patch and/or WololoKingdoms (=compatibility mod for Expansions changes) is NOT a hassle and it DOES NOT screw up the HD installation of Steam, and lives as a separate entity once installed, link to guide on setting it up with some explanations here: https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/4ir16r/stepbystep_guide_for_setting_up_voobly/
I often have both HD and Voobly-game *running* simultaneously without any side effects.
The reddit guide by Jineapple (also has mods on Steam, a very known community member) also has some arguments on why UserPatched version is better than HD. Note that UserPatch is separate from Voobly, it is a communitymade (thanks to scripter16 and other aiscripters team) patch that so far functions (and has functioned for a decade) better than HD ever has worked. Voobly merely uses a UserPatch derivation with slight changes.
Fact is that HD has never worked better than the fanmade UserPatch has functioned for years. It has better networking, pathfinding, modding capabilities etc. Pretty much everything you can think of, has been better on UP since HD launch.
I hardly think it's necessary to come and attack me for falsified information when I made it obvious that I didn't use Voobly and that someone else who did could answer the question in more specific detail with greater accuracy. I literally mentioned it was a direct quote three times.
But, I guess since you've opened the can of worms, let's just open them further:
- Userpatch looks like something someone made when the game was released. The framerate is lower even though the graphics are worse. The HUD, in game, is worse.
- The multitasking on Voobly is limited by how fast you can spam the button individually instead of being able to group queue buildings. Why exactly? Is cycle-clicking with a hotkey and pressing S 800 times in a game really considered skill?
- We want to talk about how modifiable Voobly is? Last time I checked I have four mods running on AOE, and I clicked a grand total of four times to install and activate them. But yeah, clearly Voobly is easier than one click, right?
I'd go on, but since my intention from the beginning was NOT to throw the voobly client under the bus, I'll stop here. Mind you, I would have left it as is if you would have just done a better job explaining what it is and how it works rather than throwing me under the bus for something I *quoted*. Thanks for that, by the way.
- what you mean exactly about that HUD of UP being worse, ingame? Afaik it's pretty much the same buttons aside maybe the resource icons slightly different. Please elaborate since I honestly have no idea what you mean.
- Single/Multi-queue is selectable on/off on Voobly as well as UserPatch installation options so I don't really see the issue here? Most players simply prefer Single (Just so it is clear, multiqueue = HD behavior).
- What I meant by the game being more modifiable for UP, is that it has more features and options/possibilities for various modders like map-, ai-scripters and the like. TheMax's Barbarian AI for example is so far the most advanced AI due UserPatch. I did not mean the accessibility of mods at all, but if I had, then yes, finding and installing mods on Steam is very easy, whereas on Voobly's mod center it is sorta hard to find mods but installing is just as easy (one click = loading window, which goes to 100% and you are done, mod installed).
How about pointing out that rather my quote having false information, citing "That is false" say instead "This isn't true anymore" since the information I cited I specifically referenced from a post in 2015 and can easily be outdated information.
For context, I cut out ~75% of the original post where it compared ALL the differences of Voobly and HD at the time and I didn't add the list of comparisons because I actually knew that a good chunk of them wasn't true anymore (including the expansion updates to the userpatch, which was assumed to be lacking from Voobly in the future).
Further, when you clarify on the position that the Voobly Client doesn't interact with HD directly, that could simply be stated with the link you posted and ensure that the setup is easy. It's really not hard to correct points without sounding like a jerk.
When I said the HUD is worse, the entire point of that dash was to separate just graphical issues. The text used on the HUD is less clean and not as nice to read, and the texture used for the HUD is old. Older doesn't mean worse, but in my eyes the HD version is strictly an improvement for all of those points.
I'm happy you conceded the point that Steam makes dealing with individual mods as a player easier, and that was wholly the point (the majority of the players are not modders, after all.)
Yes I can see how some things about the fonts and overall graphics are more likeable on HD, thanks for clarifying. Personally I prefer the more crisp, older graphics and textures, since it improves gameplay eg. by showing levels of elevation more clearly (when one is gaining a hill advantage or not).