What to do after getting castle age? I always lose :(

[Cpt. F****ace]

Hello there.

So I am noob af in this game... I found some guide in guides section for 'fast castle'. Until castle age I have most points from all players or we have similiar score... after that I am just getting worse and I always lose because lack of military.

After I get castle age I create 3-4 TCs and spam new villagers, then I create few barracks, AR, stable, castles, but... but... I always lose :( Any pro tips? I mean, I am watching recorded games and still I am losing, even with all those made notes.

Best regards.

[Schumsibumsi]

e.g. you should create a lot of farms to get an unbelievable amount of food. Sell it at the market places to get gold. The more gold you have, the higher your points will get as well. I haven't played this game for months now, but that was what I've always done when it started to get worse for me.

Not sure though if this is a pro-tip.

[SeriousSquid]

Learning to build and managing an economy is the first step one should embark on when learning to play a rts game and you'll easily win against players who aren't making villagers non stop out of every TC but once you're matching against players who also know how to do this you need to develop a military strategy parallell to the economic strategy.

My advice is to try a more offensive play style where your strategy revolves around a sequence of certain army compositions and reactions to triggers. Sure even though the defensive party will always be able to counter your units you will then control what kind of games you play and don't have to deal with the uncertainty as to what to do next which is what cause you to stagnate and die. It will also contribute to games being sufficiently similar that they're easier to learn from.

Here is an idea of a strategy I like with camel civilizations vs non mesoamerican where the point is to control what happens:
1.Start attacking with something like 6+6scouts in feudal focusing on delaying building farm production and don't let them die.
2. If the enemy reacts by going spears you can defend with a few swords out of that first barrack and get lots of cav archers in castle against to and if they react by going knights I'll get camels out of my already existing stables. If they went knights I'll play eco but win the battles and if they went infantry they're stuck defending untill I can get mangonels up.
Does this work well? Not really but they point is that I got to control what units my enemy used by an early attack so they can't do what they want to do and can do well.

Tower attacks in feudal serve the same prupose: forcing the enemy to play the game in a way you chose.

If you don't want to attack in feudal then the fast castle should have a military element like immediately after getting up your second TC getting bunch of cav.archers and heading out or putting up a well placed castle really quickly and start producing your unique unit for some tactical strike.

[Pantera]

first step would be changing your username or do you think any halfway decent player would name himself cpt.Fu.ckface

[Cpt. F****ace]

Originally posted by WoodyWorld:

first step would be changing your username or do you think any halfway decent player would name himself cpt.Fu.ckface

Thats second thread where you talk so. Why would I do this? Can you stop just following my threads and keep talking so? I remember I even once met you in-game. Jesus, it's your holy mission to keep stalking me?

[Pantera]

Just tried to help you. You asked how to get better and the first step would definitly be get a proper username. As already said no halfway decent player would name himself cpt.fu.ckface.
And of course just changing your name wont do anything, you also need to change your attitude that gave you this name in the first place.

[Experienced Noob]

Originally posted by Cpt. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by WoodyWorld:

first step would be changing your username or do you think any halfway decent player would name himself cpt.Fu.ckface

Thats second thread where you talk so. Why would I do this? Everyone know what would it mean, dot wouldn't change anything. Can you stop just following my threads and keep talking so? I remember I even once met you in-game. Jesus, it's your holy mission to keep stalking me?

Yeah it's hard to tell if you're just trolling with a name like that.

But some advice anyway -- Don't build 3 or 4 additional TCs unless you're on BF or something. If you're going to have to fight in Castle Age, you want to build no more than 2 additional TCs, usually one or none. In order to build knights non-stop out of 1 or 2 stables (or Hun CAs out of multiple ranges), you can't afford the TCs. For example, if you want to go full knights (2 stables) in early Castle, you're going to stick with one TC, you'll need 14 on gold (I think IIRC) and you're going to need to spend all the wood you've got on farms. I think you need about 18 farms to keep your TC and the 2 stables going. If you go 1 stable knights, you can build 1 additional TC.

[Ruinae Retroque Rursus]

Just practice....

SP AI-bashing is always something I've found rather fun. The fact when you realise you have one non-fortified gate between you and their entire army, but aren't actually attacking the gate and there's no other way in...

.... unfortunately, human opponents aren't that stupid.


I find I spend not much time in the Castle age - it's either a full-on Flush, a turtle to Imp and start spamming elite UUs (I used a modded game BTW), or just sit back behind my defenses and watch as their rams get butchered by mangonels (I did say I was using a modded game, yes?)

[Ashur_Arbaces]

Originally posted by WoodyWorld:

Just tried to help you. You asked how to get better and the first step would definitly be get a proper username. As already said no halfway decent player would name himself cpt.fu.ckface.
And of course just changing your name wont do anything, you also need to change your attitude that gave you this name in the first place.

I also disagree with the way he names himself but it should be none issue when hes clearly just asking for advice here. The only one that seems to act like a ♥♥♥♥ here is you.

[Cpt. F****ace]

At first I would really like to thank everyone who gives me tips/advices. I'd try to use them wisely.

@Fweener
So rushing 3TCs right after getting Castle Age is bad idea? I thought it's good idea because it let you spam more villagers to get more resources... Well, I was losing with this strategy anyway.

About my nickname - that wasn't my idea. At first I had "Oskar" (my real name) as my steam nickname, but people were laughing at me in other games that it isn't very creative. I asked my best friend to find me one, he always was a good with this kind of things. 5mins later he came up with this one... and sometimes people at Rocket League or CS:GO say that it's funny, mostly because of that "cpt."... but yeah, I don't really think that name means anything.

[Ashur_Arbaces]

Originally posted by Cpt. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

At first I would really like to thank everyone who gives me tips/advices. I'd try to use them wisely.

@Fweener
So rushing 3TCs right after getting Castle Age is bad idea? I thought it's good idea because it let you spam more villagers to get more resources... Well, I was losing with this strategy anyway.

About my nickname - that wasn't my idea. At first I had "Oskar" (my real name) as my steam nickname, but people were laughing at me in other games that it isn't very creative. I asked my best friend to find me one, he always was a good with this kind of things. 5mins later he came up with this one... and sometimes people at Rocket League or CS:GO say that it's funny, mostly because of that "cpt."... but yeah, I don't really think that name means anything.

It's really not a problem wich name you use, don't worry about me and others not liking it (unless you use something extremely offensive).

[Wrzlprnft]

A main thing for me when i hit castle age is to already know what my enemy is up to. Do i want to react (e.g. investing into pikes or monks due to my enemie having a double stable that slowly get those flags) or i if can take the initiative (knight rush, xbows from feudal leftover archers). Do i need to reinforce my makeshift walloff or can i build some forward production buildings? That's the next step up from having a build order to get to castle age. In my opinion. It connects your military onto your eco.

[Experienced Noob]

Originally posted by Cpt. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

@Fweener
So rushing 3TCs right after getting Castle Age is bad idea? I thought it's good idea because it let you spam more villagers to get more resources... Well, I was losing with this strategy anyway.

Yeah don't rush the TCs unless you're on a wallable map, otherwise you can get steamrolled by a guy that goes all-in military. Focus on military first and then add TCs as you can afford them later on.

Originally posted by Wrzlprnft:

A main thing for me when i hit castle age is to already know what my enemy is up to.

This is good stuff. After you scout your own area, scout your enemy and pay attention to what military buildings he has and what resources he's gathering. Look for forwards. Etc. If he has a lot of guys on gold you know he's going heavy military. If he has a lot of guys on stone he's going tower rush or castle drop or something like that. Good scouting is really important so you can prepare for what he's going to do before he does it.

[Cpt. F****ace]

Originally posted by CANNOLIS:

1) Watch replays, 2) Read build orders, 3) Memorize keyboard shortcuts, 4) Get a >= 30" LED (2560X1600), 5) Upgrade APS. After that: when you have no talent that is OK. Have fun!

AOE2HD is the best game ever! :)

What is APS? And I am playing with 1366x768 lol.

[Cpt. F****ace]

I found my biggest problem - mindset. I played too much CS:GO, Rocket League and other things where either you "stomp" someone or you get stomped. I watched few "expert" games like TheViper and I just noticed that they never surrender. Everytime when it's even a tie with military or total score I just feel like I am losing it and I am not going to win it anyway. Gotta work on it.

[Lord Puddington]

Gotta say one the first series I fully watched was Viper vs DauT. There is one match(obviously Hun vs Hun), I can't remember which, when I thought "This is it, Viper can't get out of this one. There are cav archers all over his base and his army is elsewhere." All of a sudden elite skirmishers come from his archery ranges and all those cav archers are gone. I was impressed by the guy not losing his cool for a moment, it was automatic. He was victorious yet again, I don't think DauT won a single time.