Tactics against Woad Raiders?

[Druppi]

Are Woad Raiders OP?

What are your tactics against Woad Raiders?
Searching for opportunities to defend against Woad Raiders, I only find very expensive units, that are not cost efficient at all or very unique units that are only available to one or very few civilizations. But what can you do with the Britons in the late 1v1 game? Therefore I think Woad Raiders could be OP on land maps.

[Invader]

May I ask why they are supposely OP?

[Druppi]

Originally posted by Genocide:

May I ask why they are supposely OP?

Because

Originally posted by Druppi:

Searching for opportunities to defend against Woad Raiders, I only find very expensive units, that are not cost efficient at all or very unique units that are only available to one or very few civilizations. But what can you do with the Britons in the late 1v1 game? Therefore I think Woad Raiders could be OP on land maps.

[Whakahoatanga]

Wall your base and protect the weak points of your economy with Castles and towers. They require a quite extensive economy to make so raiding the Celt players base prevents him from training too much of them. Also considering it's a Castle UU destroying castles helps to limit the flood.

Britons are weaker than Celts in the late game, so trying to close up the game before it comes to it is the thing to do as Britons.


There are many expert Britons vs Celts matchups on YouTube so you might to like to check them out too:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=britons+vs+celts

[Druppi]

Originally posted by Szaladon:

Wall your base and protect the weak points of your economy with Castles and towers. They require a quite extensive economy to make so raiding the Celt players base prevents him from training too much of them. Also considering it's a Castle UU destroying castles helps to limit the flood.

Britons are weaker than Celts in the late game, so trying to close up the game before it comes to it is the thing to do as Britons.


There are many expert Britons vs Celts matchups on YouTube so you might to like to check them out too:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=britons+vs+celts

Thanks for all these tipps! But what if I'm not fast enough to fast castle and raid him at the same time to weaken his eco? I can't win with the Britons in the late game anymore, can't I? His 100+ woad raiders and teared down my castles quite fast and the castles don't even one shot a woad raiders in the late game. Towers have no chance against that many woad raiders I think.

[Whakahoatanga]

Originally posted by Druppi:

Thanks for all these tipps! But what if I'm not fast enough to fast castle and raid him at the same time to weaken his eco? I can't win with the Britons in the late game anymore, can't I? His 100+ woad raiders and teared down my castles quite fast and the castles don't even one shot a woad raiders in the late game. Towers have no chance against that many woad raiders I think.

Skill level matters way more than civs. You simply got outplayed by a better player it seems.

[Lord Commander]

If he's going full woad raiders and not focusing on siege, just go mass Arbalest. Woads don't have good pierce armor like eagles or huskarls.

[Druppi]

Originally posted by Lord Commander:

If he's going full woad raiders and not focusing on siege, just go mass Arbalest. Woads don't have good pierce armor like eagles or huskarls.

And if he attacks with a mix of skirmishers and woad raiders?

[Invader]

Originally posted by Druppi:

Originally posted by Genocide:

May I ask why they are supposely OP?

Because

Originally posted by Druppi:

Searching for opportunities to defend against Woad Raiders, I only find very expensive units, that are not cost efficient at all or very unique units that are only available to one or very few civilizations. But what can you do with the Britons in the late 1v1 game? Therefore I think Woad Raiders could be OP on land maps.

You're not using archers or knights?

[Druppi]

Originally posted by Genocide:

Originally posted by Druppi:

Because

You're not using archers or knights?

Knights are way too expensive against woad raiders and woad raiders can be produced way faster. Archers (even the ones from the castle) are an opportunity but can be easily countered with cheap eilite skirmishers.

[Lord Commander]

Originally posted by Druppi:

Originally posted by Lord Commander:

If he's going full woad raiders and not focusing on siege, just go mass Arbalest. Woads don't have good pierce armor like eagles or huskarls.

And if he attacks with a mix of skirmishers and woad raiders?

Celts don't get the imp attack and defence blacksmith upgardes for skirms, Briton Arbalest should be able hold against them, you can mix some skirms of your own or some champions if you have to.
Its a different story if he can make siege thought, if he can afford siege and mass Woads the game is probably already over at that point.

[Druppi]

Originally posted by Lord Commander:

Originally posted by Druppi:

And if he attacks with a mix of skirmishers and woad raiders?

Celts don't get the imp attack and defence blacksmith upgardes for skirms, Briton Arbalest should be able hold against them, you can mix some skirms of your own or some champions if you have to.
Its a different story if he can make siege thought, if he can afford siege and mass Woads the game is probably already over at that point.

Thanks for that tipps! The Arbalests die like flies and castles do almost no damage to woad raiders as the almost don't do any damage to jaguar warriors.

Isnt't it just late game if everybody can afford everything? Then you reach the point where all the resources are used and you have to buy stone and gold in the market. And then you can't afford anything again.

Hand cannoneers are a solution against woad raiders. But sadly about 50% of the civs don't have hand cannoneers. It's just sad that some civs are weak against other civs.

Also a combination of plumed archers and onagers is too strong. The onagers kill skirmishers immediately and the plumed archers kill everything else with one shot.

[Yorok]

Originally posted by Druppi:

Also a combination of plumed archers and onagers is too strong. The onagers kill skirmishers immediately and the plumed archers kill everything else with one shot.

Hmm, won't the charge of mighty paladins eradicate this combo quickly?

[Cruduxy Pegg]

Briton has access to both champions and cavaliers. Cavaliers would probably fair better just because they can catch up with Woads unlike champions. Your archers can kill skirmishers if they try to counter cavaliers.