How to countermangonels and such with a non cav civ?

[Logan the Hamster]

Happy new year mates,

I just wonder how to counter siege units such as mangonels, cannons, scorpions etc. with cav.less civs.

For example I played against Spains lately with Mayans and their cannons, catapults, cannon towers etc. became huge problem, especially because the cannons could easily snipe down my trebs.
Since I can't use infrantry against a mass of catapults and scorpions or use the same units, because they are noticeable worse, what should I do?

Thanks in advacne. :)

[GAMOX | Valmontis]

Try usaing a lot of Eagle Warriors. They are very capable against mangonels.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Logan the Hamster:

Happy new year mates,

I just wonder how to counter siege units such as mangonels, cannons, scorpions etc. with cav.less civs.

For example I played against Spains lately with Mayans and their cannons, catapults, cannon towers etc. became huge problem, especially because the cannons could easily snipe down my trebs.
Since I can't use infrantry against a mass of catapults and scorpions or use the same units, because they are noticeable worse, what should I do?

Thanks in advacne. :)

How many barracks do you have? 3? You need like 7-9 by the time the enymy has such compotition.

[Logan the Hamster]

Ofc I had so many barracks and such, but I just coudln't deal with all those magonels.
Btw they were also protected by swordmen and in the back and from the flanks came his Conquistadors.
So Archers and the like was easily killed and I just had 0 idea how to counter that out correctly.

[Wafflesaurus Supreme]

Counter mangonels with siege onagers. Siege onagers always win.

[b00nish]

Originally posted by Logan the Hamster:

I just wonder how to counter siege units such as mangonels, cannons, scorpions etc. with cav.less civs.

Atztecs got Siege Onager and Siege Engineer, so you're quite good in the siege department yourself and can counter the enemies siege with your own siege.

Mayans and Incas at least get Onager, so there is also a possibility to go with siege against siege.


Eagle Warriors are of coruse also a very good choice. They are fast and strong against siege. Actually as strong as knights, but cheaper.

You can also try to put your eagles inside of rams and drive them to the enemies siege in order to raise their survival rate.

[Logan the Hamster]

Thanks, in whole rather expensive options, because I have to get some more masses and especially if I build rams for survival porposes. And as I said, I could not get Mangonels on my own, because he sniped them with his cannons in the back. And then there were the swordmen in between his catapults, but obviously I could not get my archers get close enough.
However thanks for the general tipps though. ;)

In my opinion thats one of the most diofficultiest things to do with Maya and similar.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Bombadingo cannons wreck them. Every faction has bombard cannons or cavalry or eagle warriors so you should always have at least one of the main counter units. Also If you are mongols then their elite is really good anti siege, and massed briton longbows work really well

Also bear in mind that mangonels are very expensive so even if you take losses rushing in some cavalry or infantry to kill them it will probably work out better in resources for you

Also dont put your eagles in rams, rams did fast to siege weapons like mangonels and if 10+ siege onagers fire at once theyll flatten the rams and the eagle warriors all at once. Better to try to rush in your eagles from all directions and stagger them out, once they get close the risk of friendly fire for the onagers increases. Onagers also take ages to make compared to eagles