Bullet wounds should be a bit more realistic

[Orcjura]

When a sniper bullet(7.62x51) hits you in a stomach you dont just rush to a cover and bandage, you die, it used to be like that on 0.40 patch and couple more, but after that snipers are underpowered

[SERGEANT]

Im guessing knock down power will be added to the physics engine at some point. For now be greatful, because this also means you could take a mosin round without being thrown to the ground.

Besides, nobody would play this game if bullet damage was realistic, trust me.

[kingkentuck]

Sniping isn't realistic either. It's a game.

[GobboKirk]

Originally posted by SERGEANT:

Besides, nobody would play this game if bullet damage was realistic, trust me.

This... Got to find a balance in there between realism and fun.
Also why there will always be someone not agreeing with the choices.
Knockdown effect on being hit would be awesome though.

[Mytheos]

Originally posted by SERGEANT:

Im guessing knock down power will be added to the physics engine at some point. For now be greatful, because this also means you could take a mosin round without being thrown to the ground.

Besides, nobody would play this game if bullet damage was realistic, trust me.

Bullets dont knock you down though...

[SERGEANT]

It depends. A 7.62 x 54 would knock someone down most of the time. It really depends on shot placement. Either way, if the impact doesnt put you down the shock would make most people buckle over. I took one to the chest in 2007 when I earned my CIB (friendly fire). It broke one of my plates, shredded part of my LBV and busted two ribs. The shock of the impact put me to the ground hard, so like I said it all depends on placement.

My point is, if they got too realistic with bullet damage people would never stop complaining. Instead of bandaging the wound you would have to appy pressure, dig out bullet fragments, stitch together any severed arteries, sew yourself shut, hope you dont have internal bleeding and keep it clean while it heals. Not to mention dieing from shock or infection. Personally I would love this level of realism, but most would not. For what it is, I think DayZ strikes a perfect note between realism and fun.

Originally posted by Mytheos:

Originally posted by SERGEANT:

Im guessing knock down power will be added to the physics engine at some point. For now be greatful, because this also means you could take a mosin round without being thrown to the ground.

Besides, nobody would play this game if bullet damage was realistic, trust me.

Bullets dont knock you down though...

[Low Elo]

7,62 wouldn't knock you down since it's excess energy is so much it passes straight through you. Smaller calibers like 5.56, 5.45 however do have more of a punch since they typically lose all their energy inside the target. Sounds contradictory I know, but having a bullet which is too fast and strong tends to penetrate completely through the body and as a concequence only a fraction of its energy is inferred to the body.

[SERGEANT]

If your not wearing anything that absorbs the shock of the impact then yes, it will pass through you like your not even there. Im talking about shooting a geared player.
I took one to the chest in 2007 (friendly fire) right after I earned my CIB. It passed through one of my mags, the kydex snap in holder it was in, broke one of my plates, shredded part of my LBV and busted two ribs. The shock of the impact put me to the ground hard, so like I said it all depends on placement.

Originally posted by Syph@x:

7,62 wouldn't knock you down since it's excess energy is so much it passes straight through you. Smaller calibers like 5.56, 5.45 however do have more of a punch since they typically lose all their energy inside the target. Sounds contradictory I know, but having a bullet which is too fast and strong tends to penetrate completely through the body and as a concequence only a fraction of its energy is inferred to the body.

[kingkentuck]

If they wanted realism they shouldn't have a mosin sniper with a modern scope in the first place.

[IRDCAM]

For those of you who have never been in combat, let us review. For the record... the 7.62X51, 7.62X39 and 7.62X54R will and readily does 'knock' the target down, first round no matter where hit. Not a 100% but damn close to 98%. The 5.56X45 not so much unless you double tap. 9mm is not a knock down round either, the .45ACP and .357 are.
Essentually you are shooting a 'bag' of water, the hydrostatic shock and cavity determins if target goes down. If you get shot, you go down, and a shock factor of 'what the hell' takes over...BTDT. There are no 'Rambo's' out there that can get shot and move like in game...does not happen ITRW.

You put one upper chest or 'brain housing group' target goes down, fact. I do leg shoot FNG's now and then to let them 'go' when they get paniced and froggy and are too new to understand game, let them figure out bandage and splints.

Sniping in game is not sniping...it is just a rifle with a good sighting system. I sit and overwatch routes to the usual 'loot' locations that the 'pros' use with me and my son armed with SKS's. From cover at @100m we do not snipe, we ambush. When you can hit targets at 500m+ then we can discuss sniping.

[SERGEANT]

Exactly, when you have to dope the scope to hit your target ill be impressed.

Kiling people at 800 yards is still fun though :)

Originally posted by Serzhant Patapov:

For those of you who have never been in combat, let us review. For the record... the 7.62X51, 7.62X39 and 7.62X54R will and readily does 'knock' the target down, first round no matter where hit. Not a 100% but damn close to 98%. The 5.56X45 not so much unless you double tap. 9mm is not a knock down round either, the .45ACP and .357 are.
Essentually you are shooting a 'bag' of water, the hydrostatic shock and cavity determins if target goes down. If you get shot, you go down, and a shock factor of 'what the hell' takes over...BTDT. There are no 'Rambo's' out there that can get shot and move like in game...does not happen ITRW.

You put one upper chest or 'brain housing group' target goes down, fact. I do leg shoot FNG's now and then to let them 'go' when they get paniced and froggy and are too new to understand game, let them figure out bandage and splints.

Sniping in game is not sniping...it is just a rifle with a good sighting system. I sit and overwatch routes to the usual 'loot' locations that the 'pros' use with me and my son armed with SKS's. From cover at @100m we do not snipe, we ambush. When you can hit targets at 500m+ then we can discuss sniping.

[Boris the Blade]

they took the bipod away, made them weaker, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the hold breath so you have to take your shot within 1 second of holding breath

i dont think they want people sniping lol

[kingkentuck]

"Exactly, when you have to dope the scope to hit your target ill be impressed."

Depends what you mean by that. I can mount a good scope on a rifle, zero it , and load some ammo good for 600 or 1000 yds. I can even figure how to much to turn the dials if somebody smart tells me how fast the wind is blowing and how far the barn is. Oh and sits behind me and watches the trace and tells me where my first shot went. I know two really good long range shooters that hunt at long range. 3 shot kills is a great thing at 600 yards on a deer.

If you actually had to go through all the persnicky crap to hit things far away in this game that you do in real life, nobody would worry about snipers because nobody would do it. A friend of mine calls preciision welding knitting for men. Sniping is knitting with a gun in the rain while freezing your nuts off.. I lasted one season at long range high power and went to sporting clays and 5 stand. I like smashing things not playing chess while cramped up the ground in sling.

[IRDCAM]

Ever shot a M21 at over 800m, a lot of 'work' and math involved. That is last precesion rifle I ever shot. Would love to shoot some of the newer 'toys'. But even my 'bambi' rifle is only a really nice rifle with a really good 6X sighting system. Or I just use my H&R Model 1871 .45/70 'Buffalo Rifle, actually loaded with full 70gr loads. I do not 'chase' deer and rarely shoot 'bambi' at over 100m, and still use iron sights.

[Aristarr]

The armchair physicists and "military professionals" in this thread make me laugh.

Oh, and if you're hunting deer at 600 yards and blasting 3 shots, I am glad you don't live or hunt anywhere around me. Ethics seem to be overrated where you're from. And the guy using a 45-70 to hunt deer at 100m makes me laugh.

[Mytheos]

Mythbusters busted it twice.

REVISITED: A body struck by a bullet will be propelled violently backwards. (From Episode 25)

re-busted

Even a .50 Caliber bullet does not have the momentum to knock a person backwards. If it were possible, the shooter would be knocked backwards as well – as per Newton’s Third Law.