I bought the DLC, but I swear

[Toki]

if you give it away again, I'll boycott Bohemia

It's the main thing that bothers me, not even the price, the fact that you gave away a DLC that I paid like a sucker without any compensation.

Should have waited for 50% off at least.

[etwas]

megafail

[withered]

Make_DLC_FREE_AGAIN! <trump_music_here> + lots of freedom flags falling from skies

[HolyRustedMetal]

I paid for the previous DLC too and was compensated handsomely by getting a few hundred hours of playtime on the map. If the same thing happens after a hundred hours of Sakhal, I will lose nothing.

[Toki]

Not me, I hated livo but liked the exclusivity and the idea that it kept hackers on hard burners away
The new DLC is relatively cool and it's more than just a map but still.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Toki's Road to 6k Elo:

it's more than just a map but still.

Gameplay/content updates that apply to all maps don't count as being part of the DLC, so it's just a map and nothing else

Regardless, your post is the embodiment of "If I had it bad, then everyone else has to". Should people that buy games at full price on release be compensated if the developers decide to reduce the price of the game in the future? Should people get compensated if they bought the game on a 50% off sale and the game goes on a 60% off sale next year? Should people get refunded their money if a developer decides to make their game free to keep for 24 hours?

You got to play Livonia nearly 5 years ahead of everyone else, so what exactly are you getting cheated out of? If anything, you should be happy that the door was opened to people since I'd imagine sales leveled out for it, so it wasn't going to be getting much more, if any, new players

[1337Dude]

I hope BI gives it away in 3 months. Despite paying for it, I'd still laugh at you.

[Toki]

Originally posted by Santa Hoovy:

Originally posted by Toki's Road to 6k Elo:

it's more than just a map but still.

Gameplay/content updates that apply to all maps don't count as being part of the DLC, so it's just a map and nothing else

You got to play Livonia nearly 5 years ahead of everyone else, so what exactly are you getting cheated out of? If anything, you should be happy that the door was opened to people since I'd imagine sales leveled out for it, so it wasn't going to be getting much more, if any, new players

Nah, it was a relatively recent purchase.

[Toki]

Originally posted by 1337Dude:

I hope BI gives it away in 3 months. Despite paying for it, I'd still laugh at you.

A fool and his money are easily parted, as they say.

[Punani]

Originally posted by Toki's Road to 6k Elo:

Originally posted by Santa Hoovy:

Gameplay/content updates that apply to all maps don't count as being part of the DLC, so it's just a map and nothing else

You got to play Livonia nearly 5 years ahead of everyone else, so what exactly are you getting cheated out of? If anything, you should be happy that the door was opened to people since I'd imagine sales leveled out for it, so it wasn't going to be getting much more, if any, new players

Nah, it was a relatively recent purchase.

It sucks if you bought Livonia a few months before it went free, but it still was around 10 euro (on sale), which is the same as a couple of beers in a regular bar in my capital city.

But, still it sucks. So I get that.

But now you bought Frostline, which is only out for 2 months, so I don't see the point of this topic. As you can probably figure out, this DLC won't go free in the next 5 years or so

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Toki's Road to 6k Elo:

Nah, it was a relatively recent purchase.

Even so, it's just how the world of buying things works

It sucks to buy a game & getting past the refund period only for the game to be on a 50% off sale, but that doesn't make it a bad game nor a bad development team because of it. From a financial standpoint, it sucks for me to know that the ~$150 worth of DLC I bought on PAYDAY 2 over several years is now available in a massive legacy bundle for a mere $30, but I don't care whatsoever because it opened the door for thousands of new players to buy & play the game

If all you do in life is wait for the best deal on something, then you're never going to enjoy anything because there will always be a better deal in the future, so accept the fact that you paid for it and move past it

[Toki]

You take one example as an argument, but what about all the games that do not do this?
COD still sell their 10 years old games full price lol

[Toki]

To this day... 53.99 for black ops released in 2010.
I cannot recall them giving stuff for free even if every single game is basically a 70$ DLC, which is a beast that we should not be feeding.
10 years ago the idea of a 100$ mount in WoW would have been beyond ridiculous. It still is, but not as much because of the whales who have been normalizing it.

We can point at different business models and claim that x is normal, but it's always relative.

[1337Dude]

The thing is, is that this game is actually really unique in the sense that it has pretty hardcore playerbase despite being an old game. This is what lets them charge the ol "premium" price.

Another example of that is Everquest, which just released a $35 expansion pack (for a 25 years old game!).

At this point, we're just paying extra for devs to maintain this "legacy" game experience for us.

The reason it works is because they know we are here for the experience we can't get elsewhere.

[Phoenix]

are you talking about them making Livonia free? dude it was like 5years after release. i'm sure it will be a comparable length of time before they do the same with Sakhal, if they ever do it at all.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Toki's Road to 6k Elo:

You take one example as an argument, but what about all the games that do not do this?

Because I'm not trying to analyze every game franchise in existence to compare their pricing decisions and how they relate to DayZ which is why I chose PAYDAY 2 as an example because I literally experienced it, yet I'm not bothered by it at all

Originally posted by Toki's Road to 6k Elo:

COD still sell their 10 years old games full price lol

And that is genuinely one of the most idiotic decisions on their part because nobody's gonna be paying full price for 10-15 year old CoD games, much less games on PC that have next to no player base

Originally posted by Toki's Road to 6k Elo:

To this day... 53.99 for black ops released in 2010.
I cannot recall them giving stuff for free even if every single game is basically a 70$ DLC, which is a beast that we should not be feeding.
10 years ago the idea of a 100$ mount in WoW would have been beyond ridiculous. It still is, but not as much because of the whales who have been normalizing it.

We can point at different business models and claim that x is normal, but it's always relative.

Using extreme examples like CoD & whales who overpay for microtransactions isn't going to accomplish anything for you because nobody in the room is arguing that what they're doing is good

It has nothing to do with anyone's business models, but rather that, once you purchase something and the return period expires, they owe you NOTHING regarding what you paid for it. If they really want to, they could make the DLC free 5 minutes after your return period expires and that's perfectly legitimate because they're not required to accommodate for you when pricing their own content

LESSONS LEARNED
- Getting mad because someone got a better deal than you accomplishes nothing
- Developers don't owe you any form of compensation regarding what you paid for their content if they decide to reduce the price or make it free
- Using extreme examples to prove a point isn't going to convince anyone of anything