I've solved the problem of KOS

[Moose]

Don't be seen. I'm sorry if this seems like a joke post to some of you but it's true. I live for days in this game. get dozens of kills with each life usually and it's because I play this game the way I believe it was intended.

It's a survival game. If this were real life, a lot of aspects of people would be the same. There will be people who want to stay alone, people that are friendly and looking for other survivors and then there are the people that will shoot you. it's that simple people.

When i spawn; I get off the coast, i stay off the roads, I loot the houses on the edge of towns and rarely go in and if I do I scout it first. People die because they are doing things too fast. it may take me 4-5 hours to get fully geared but it's better than spending 1-2 hours looking for stuff and then getting shot because i was running around like an idiot where anyone can see me.

For people who actually have a problem with this. Please go play a game that you spawn fully geared or host your own server and play by yourself.


One last thing, there is nothing wrong with KOS. If I don't feel like killing someone, when i see someone i'll go up to them and tell them i'm friendly. If i'm playing to kill people, then KOS is the best way to do it.

Is this what you want people to do:
"Hey man, so I seen you from a far and i could have killed you but I wanted to let you know that I'm not friendly and plan to kill you. I'm telling you so that even though you were stupid enough to be running out in the open, neither of us will have an advantage and i could potentially lose everything i worked hard for even though i've been playing in a careful way to not be seen"

That's not going to happen, I will shoot you in the face.

[Jonboy]

Bingo. Stealth is your best weapon in Day Z. You cant shoot what you cant see.

[kenkuros]

-I feel like i am being watched-

[Caxton Gibbet]

You are quite right, one way to avoid being a victim of kill on sight is, kill on sight.

And it is quite right that you can't shoot what you can't see, but don't make the mistake of thinking that just because you haven't been shot at, it means you haven't been seen, it doesn't, it just means you haven't been shot at.

I see people who haven't seen me all the time, they didn't know that I'd seen them because I didn't shoot at them and I didn't approach them.

I can guarantee you that, unless you are always on 0 pop servers, this has happened to you, and me, on countless occasions.

Stealth is indeed an important tool for survival within DayZ, but to suggest you can avoid detection, all the time, is just nonsensical.

You should absolutely play the game your way. KOS or don't KOS the choice is yours, approach people or don't, it's upto you.

But too suggest that the only reason anyone is a victim of KOS is because they where seen, and suggesting that being unseen is the only way to avoid it is plainly false, not to mention, unachievable

If you want a gun fight with another player, give them a warning shot to start with, you can still maintain your advantage but now you have a decent challenge, and a proper fight.

If you don't want to fight but just want to remove the threat, real or imagined, then by all means KOS.

Just be honest with yourself as to why you have made that decision.Don't dress it up as a "life lesson" for that player because they don't happen to play using your prescribed method.That is disingenuous.

[SheTookTeKid]

You are correct. However DayZ is a great game for interactions so it sucks to have to stay away from people.. However if you hide good enough you can hold them up before they know what hit em and then engage in JOLLY COOPERATION... Or trading.

[Jonboy]

Whenever I die in Day Z , its usually because I was either in the open, exposed or stationary, possibly even all three.

If you reflect on your recent deaths, I'll wager you were too.

[Moose]

I'm sure people have seen me and not shot me many times. just as i have seen many people and not shot them. I'm not saying that this is a full proof plan, while I stay alive for dayz on end (pun intended) I still eventually die.

Though the people who post on the forums about how they are always dying to KOS need to realize it's because they are always being seen. My way may not be perfect and i'm sure i'm seen once in a while. Though I'm also sure i'm seen a lot less than the average person and the amount of time i'm visable from any one direction is often very limited incase someone is trying to take a shot. i'd say at least 60% of my deaths are from me pissing off a group of 3 or more and just running out of cover to fall back to and shoot from. the amount of times i'm shot without knowing where the shot came from is maybe once a week

[[LT] Liam [TSD]]

iv been KOS twice, one in a police station, me and another fresh spawn found two .45s i said he could have 1 and i would take the other. he punched me tied me up and then kept stabbing me while i walked out of the station. the other i think was afraid of losing his gear because he was well geared. I have been KOS now i think its my turn to do a bit, unless they show no hostility towards me

[[LT] Liam [TSD]]

when eating or drinking etc go prone in a bush

[chon]

http://www.military-sf.com/Tactics.htm#Individual

Check out the individual tactics in that page.

Staying safe can be a tedious task though.

[Caxton Gibbet]

Thanks for the link Sapper,I'm gonna have a read of that in a mo, with a cuppa.

Reflecting on my last two deaths, guy ran into a room I was in,applying a bandage to myself after a zombie snuck up on me, stuck his shotgun in my face and pulled the trigger, I think I managed to get "hello" out.

Before that one, all I heard was a shot, real close behind as I opened a door on the northern edge of Zelenogorsk.

I never have a weapon in my hands, if I have one, unless I'm about to use it. I favour civilian clothing over military.I purposefully try to avoid appearing as a threat.

But I do also take care to minimise my exposure and maintain awareness of my surroundings.

It's not a person being seen that decides whether or not they will be a victim of KOS, it's what the person spotting them decides, that will determine whether they are a victim of KOS.

If you choose to kill someone on sight, then own that decision. Don't tell people it's their fault because they weren't ninja enough or choose to play in a less militaristic way than you do.

DayZ is not a war by default.

[Jonboy]

I always have a weapon in my hand and even have it raised in buildings. Its saved me on many occasion.

As for the KOS debate, just take the S out of it :D

[troyganator300]

Play with a large group of friends, everyone runs away from yous

[chon]

Originally posted by (BEC) troyganator300:

Play with a large group of friends, everyone runs away from yous

Hm, not really, depending on how large and organized the group is though, I have engaged and escaped groups of 5 or so players several times, just hit and run.

[troyganator300]

Originally posted by Sapper:

Originally posted by (BEC) troyganator300:

Play with a large group of friends, everyone runs away from yous

Hm, not really, depending on how large and orginized the group is though, I have engaged and escaped groups of 5 or so players several times, just hit and run.

I used to play with 5-8 players and all the solo players wouldnt come near us, one time we found a hostile group of 20 players

[Jonboy]

I find groups a hinderance. They all run around like headless chickens and you end up popping your own guy. Engaging a group is also great fun. Persoanlly Im a lone wolf, Suites my style of play.