WTF DAYZ Shotguns are still too OP against plate carriers.

[OrangeFourInchDoorHinge]

I sacrifice half of my stamina lugging around a plate carrier only to get shot ONCE buy a shotgun from 30m AND IT INSTANTLY KNOCKS ME OUT FOR 25 SECONDS. WHAT KIND OF ADVANTAGE IS THAT? BY THE TIME I WAKE UP THE DUDE IS ON TOP OF ME EXECUTION STYLE. WHAT KIND OF ADVANTAGE IS THAT? WHY AM I SACRIFICING HALF OF MY STAMINA WITH A PLATE CARRIER????????

Edit: Hey thought police, I'm allowed to have my own opinion. Move on.

[WumboWise]

Shotguns exist for the very purpose of humbling geared players who get too complacent. I always carry a shotgun on me, and it's always fun to bait geared players right into a one hit kill. A knowledgeable player with a shotgun can wipe out entire clans of uncoordinated buffoons


The downside is that shotguns will almost always severely damage or ruin clothing. They also usually have low ammo magazine capacity. So there is a trade off to consider there.

[Coffee Addicted☕]

Originally posted by Xuild:

plate carriers are for surviving either a lot small rounds or like 1-2 big rounds (5.56+), or for getting knocked uncon instead of dying, which in some cases people can be idiots and not check to see if you are dead or not

heheheh that happpens a lot plate carriers can trick some players mostly the newbies they think you're dead while i get back from the grave to take my revenge

[Apocryphox]

Originally posted by Angry Fruit:

Let’s break this down with some physics and real-life implications:

1. Kinetic Energy of a Shotgun Slug: A typical 12-gauge shotgun slug (about 28 grams) travels at roughly 1,200 feet per second. This gives it around 1,892 Joules of kinetic energy upon impact, which is substantial, even at 30 meters.

2. Effect of the Plate Carrier: Plate carriers protect against handgun rounds and shrapnel, but the blunt force trauma from a slug can cause severe internal injuries, bruising, and even broken ribs. The impact doesn’t just stop at penetration; it transfers energy that can incapacitate you temporarily.

3. Physiological Response: Getting hit by such a slug can lead to a "knockdown" effect—your body may momentarily shut down from the overwhelming force, even if the armor holds. Adrenaline might mask the pain initially, but once it fades, you're left vulnerable.

4. Game Mechanics vs. Reality: Sacrificing stamina for a plate carrier doesn’t equate to real protection against high-energy impacts. In reality, the advantages of wearing heavy gear diminish significantly when facing something as powerful as a shotgun.

5. So, the next time you wonder “What kind of advantage is that?” remember: in real life, getting hit by a shotgun slug while wearing a plate carrier doesn’t just hurt; it can leave you severely injured or incapacitated.


That’s all from me; have a nice day!

I really wonder why this got jester prices. It's typical that the toddlers can't handle the facts again and have to cry instead. Valve should remove the price. It really gets abused by all sorts of freaks.

[mud]

Originally posted by Apocryphox:

Originally posted by Angry Fruit:

Let’s break this down with some physics and real-life implications:

1. Kinetic Energy of a Shotgun Slug: A typical 12-gauge shotgun slug (about 28 grams) travels at roughly 1,200 feet per second. This gives it around 1,892 Joules of kinetic energy upon impact, which is substantial, even at 30 meters.

2. Effect of the Plate Carrier: Plate carriers protect against handgun rounds and shrapnel, but the blunt force trauma from a slug can cause severe internal injuries, bruising, and even broken ribs. The impact doesn’t just stop at penetration; it transfers energy that can incapacitate you temporarily.

3. Physiological Response: Getting hit by such a slug can lead to a "knockdown" effect—your body may momentarily shut down from the overwhelming force, even if the armor holds. Adrenaline might mask the pain initially, but once it fades, you're left vulnerable.

4. Game Mechanics vs. Reality: Sacrificing stamina for a plate carrier doesn’t equate to real protection against high-energy impacts. In reality, the advantages of wearing heavy gear diminish significantly when facing something as powerful as a shotgun.

5. So, the next time you wonder “What kind of advantage is that?” remember: in real life, getting hit by a shotgun slug while wearing a plate carrier doesn’t just hurt; it can leave you severely injured or incapacitated.


That’s all from me; have a nice day!

I really wonder why this got jester prices. It's typical that the toddlers can't handle the facts again and have to cry instead. Valve should remove the price. It really gets abused by all sorts of freaks.

maybe because this is a game where physics and real life implications do not matter. lol

dayz is dayz, it has it's own "physics and implications" complete with a bit of randomness in the equation. the game is what it is. just play it and deal with what it gives you. the game is the same for everyone, except cheats of course, just enjoy yourselves.

[ast]

Originally posted by mud:

Originally posted by Apocryphox:

I really wonder why this got jester prices. It's typical that the toddlers can't handle the facts again and have to cry instead. Valve should remove the price. It really gets abused by all sorts of freaks.

maybe because this is a game where physics and real life implications do not matter. lol

dayz is dayz, it has it's own "physics and implications" complete with a bit of randomness in the equation. the game is what it is. just play it and deal with what it gives you. the game is the same for everyone, except cheats of course, just enjoy yourselves.

well, not exactly since especially the weapon simulation in this game is very close to real life...last but not least Dayz has its roots in the VBS/ArmA milsims, too.

[OrangeFourInchDoorHinge]

Originally posted by 1337Dude:

It's DayZ. You pretty much will always die or get incapacitated in one shot. The people you shoot, on the other hand, will take many more (sometimes you can magdump a dude and miss).

Yo that is so dang true lmao. Cant tell you how many times ive hit someone multiple times and they still 1 tapped me.

[FoolMonty]

Im pretty sure that you didn't die from a chest wound.
The spread from a shotgun, you're just as likely to have got half a load in the face.

[Alf Tupper]

Originally posted by FoolMonty:

Im pretty sure that you didn't die from a chest wound.
The spread from a shotgun, you're just as likely to have got half a load in the face.

Just a couple of observations...

- the spread on a shotgun with buckshot and bird shot isn't as massive as you might think; it can vary with load, barrel length, and choke, but at ranges around 25-30 metres, it can be pretty tight, less than a piece of A4 paper. Check it out yourselves folks.

- the muzzle energy levels of a 12 bore shotgun are significant, although attenuate at distance. Look up and see how they compare to pistol and carbine rounds, then rounds such as 5.56 At shorter ranges, they do pack a lot of punch, even if they don't penetrate armour.

[ast]

Originally posted by Angry Fruit:

Well, I must say, it’s overwhelmingly heartwarming to see our dear thread-starter basking in the attention of a lifetime here. Truly, I couldn’t be happier—after all, this might just be the pinnacle of their recognition unless they bless us with more bravura bait threads in the future.

And let’s not forget a big thank you to the two jesters handing out points. Every little bit helps! Rest assured, I’ll be putting those points to far better use, spreading them through genuine, relevant, and much friendlier reactions for people who actually deserve them.

Might I gently suggest a moderator steps in to close this topic? It’s fully devolved into pure silliness at this point.

man, you take this way too serious...it's a game after all, isn't it?

[RunsWithScissors]

Your complaints are a bit based on ammo. Shotguns are all over the place on dispersion but in general a military shotgun firing buckshot at 30 meters will have a cone of around 26 inches or .7 meters so wider than a plate. And a standard buckshot round contains 8 pellets so roughly 8 .22 rounds. So you get hit in the where, face/neck by a couple of .22 rounds and how are you going to do?

[JBrown247]

Originally posted by Angry Fruit:

Well, I must say, it’s overwhelmingly heartwarming to see our dear thread-starter basking in the attention of a lifetime here. Truly, I couldn’t be happier—after all, this might just be the pinnacle of their recognition unless they bless us with more bravura bait threads in the future.

And let’s not forget a big thank you to the two jesters handing out points. Every little bit helps! Rest assured, I’ll be putting those points to far better use, spreading them through genuine, relevant, and much friendlier reactions for people who actually deserve them.

Might I gently suggest a moderator steps in to close this topic? It’s fully devolved into pure silliness at this point.

Make a few more ChatGPT posts

[OrangeFourInchDoorHinge]

Originally posted by Angry Fruit:

Well, I must say, it’s overwhelmingly heartwarming to see our dear thread-starter basking in the attention of a lifetime here. Truly, I couldn’t be happier—after all, this might just be the pinnacle of their recognition unless they bless us with more bravura bait threads in the future.

And let’s not forget a big thank you to the two jesters handing out points. Every little bit helps! Rest assured, I’ll be putting those points to far better use, spreading them through genuine, relevant, and much friendlier reactions for people who actually deserve them.

Might I gently suggest a moderator steps in to close this topic? It’s fully devolved into pure silliness at this point.

You when someone says something you dont agree with-

[Alf Tupper]

Originally posted by civdiv:

Your complaints are a bit based on ammo. Shotguns are all over the place on dispersion but in general a military shotgun firing buckshot at 30 meters will have a cone of around 26 inches or .7 meters so wider than a plate. And a standard buckshot round contains 8 pellets so roughly 8 .22 rounds. So you get hit in the where, face/neck by a couple of .22 rounds and how are you going to do?

Thanks for that - some of my info must have been out of date re spread, maybe I used best case scenario with a tight choke; I usually said that an A4 piece of paper at 25 metres would gold the patterns. It seems an inch of spread per yard of range is a more common rule of thumb.

At the ranges we are talking about, is it right projectile energy seems to be comparable to .32 ACP with 00 shot, rather than .22LR (I assume that's what you meant?)

[OrangeFourInchDoorHinge]

Originally posted by Alf Tupper:

Originally posted by civdiv:

Your complaints are a bit based on ammo. Shotguns are all over the place on dispersion but in general a military shotgun firing buckshot at 30 meters will have a cone of around 26 inches or .7 meters so wider than a plate. And a standard buckshot round contains 8 pellets so roughly 8 .22 rounds. So you get hit in the where, face/neck by a couple of .22 rounds and how are you going to do?

Thanks for that - some of my info must have been out of date re spread, maybe I used best case scenario with a tight choke; I usually said that an A4 piece of paper at 25 metres would gold the patterns. It seems an inch of spread per yard of range is a more common rule of thumb.

At the ranges we are talking about, is it right projectile energy seems to be comparable to .32 ACP with 00 shot, rather than .22LR (I assume that's what you meant?)

Yeah funny enough, i believe you are referring more to .380 ammo no .32 in reference to buck shot. Anyway, dayz from what i understand gives the armor buff to your entire upper body rather than just your torso. Bird shot would be more comparable to a .22lr round... Or maybe a pellet from a pellet gun haha.

Regardless there are plenty of videos online showing people getting shot 10 times with a 9mm or a .40 and still running away.

The only ammo type that would do any serious damage to someone in a plate carrier would be a slug. The game could easily code in a stamina debuff. I think the only problem they would have is the knocking someone off their feet without them going unconscious. But it doesn't really seem that hard IMO, but then again i am not a game developer.

BTW I hope you will all be happy to know that i uninstalled the game. Someone found my stick shelter in the middle of the woods, perfectly hidden, nowhere near anything, no reason to explore, on chernarus, and despawned everything including my stick shelter :-(.

[FloppyDoppy]

Originally posted by Angry Fruit:

Let’s break this down with some physics and real-life implications:

1. Kinetic Energy of a Shotgun Slug: A typical 12-gauge shotgun slug (about 28 grams) travels at roughly 1,200 feet per second. This gives it around 1,892 Joules of kinetic energy upon impact, which is substantial, even at 30 meters.

2. Effect of the Plate Carrier: Plate carriers protect against handgun rounds and shrapnel, but the blunt force trauma from a slug can cause severe internal injuries, bruising, and even broken ribs. The impact doesn’t just stop at penetration; it transfers energy that can incapacitate you temporarily.

3. Physiological Response: Getting hit by such a slug can lead to a "knockdown" effect—your body may momentarily shut down from the overwhelming force, even if the armor holds. Adrenaline might mask the pain initially, but once it fades, you're left vulnerable.

4. Game Mechanics vs. Reality: Sacrificing stamina for a plate carrier doesn’t equate to real protection against high-energy impacts. In reality, the advantages of wearing heavy gear diminish significantly when facing something as powerful as a shotgun.

5. So, the next time you wonder “What kind of advantage is that?” remember: in real life, getting hit by a shotgun slug while wearing a plate carrier doesn’t just hurt; it can leave you severely injured or incapacitated.


That’s all from me; have a nice day!

Can you put a Kinetic Energy of a 308 sniper at 100 meters in this game that doesnt kill a plate carrier not even put at 60% hp if its on the chest, and explain how is it possible if a shotgun can knock from 30 meters or even kill instantly from close range? Thanks