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GetInTheHangar 2024 年 5 月 27 日 上午 6:06
SV-98 is really dissapointing
Apparently it actually does less damage than the mosin. They could have also had it in 338 so we could have had another tier of sniper but instead its just another 7.62 sniper and it also doesnt have any good long range scopes for it in game. What was the round in adding this gun.
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baddoggs 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 5:49 
引用自 GetInTheHangar
引用自 baddoggs
Personally i like the SKS clone, It's fairly easy to find, easy to get ammo for,
does not require a mag but is semi auto and is simple to use.
AND, the best part, no one else ever really wants them.
Also, like a "bolt" rifle you can "chamber load" for single
shots saving the ammo load for when things get "up close and personal".
Which gun is the SKS clone? There is no SKS clone in vanilla as far as I am aware.

Play the game for more than an hour and you would know.
SK S9... It even says it in the name...
Your here talking about the in game guns and you don't even
know what guns are in the game....
最后由 baddoggs 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 5:50
Amogus 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 6:27 
引用自 baddoggs
Play the game for more than an hour and you would know.
SK S9... It even says it in the name...
Your here talking about the in game guns and you don't even
know what guns are in the game....
I know every gun in the game and I had no clue what you meant, so clearly it's not a "lack of game knowledge" problem

When people hear "clone", they imagine something similar to the item being referenced that is an entirely different item. For example, calling the AUR AX an "AUR A1 clone" fits this idea since they are identical in every way except for the AX having a rail mount instead of an attached scope. The same can be said of the CR-550 and the M70 since these are effectively clones of each other with minor differences

When you call something a clone just because it had its name changed, it's not going to make sense to most people
baddoggs 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 6:43 
引用自 SUBNORMAL
引用自 baddoggs
Play the game for more than an hour and you would know.
SK S9... It even says it in the name...
Your here talking about the in game guns and you don't even
know what guns are in the game....
I know every gun in the game and I had no clue what you meant, so clearly it's not a "lack of game knowledge" problem

When people hear "clone", they imagine something similar to the item being referenced that is an entirely different item. For example, calling the AUR AX an "AUR A1 clone" fits this idea since they are identical in every way except for the AX having a rail mount instead of an attached scope. The same can be said of the CR-550 and the M70 since these are effectively clones of each other with minor differences

When you call something a clone just because it had its name changed, it's not going to make sense to most people

if you "knew" every gun in the game then you would have known
what i was talking about Jethro and Idaho, who actually Do know the
game had no problem identifying the weapon in question.
Amogus 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 7:33 
引用自 baddoggs
引用自 SUBNORMAL
I know every gun in the game and I had no clue what you meant, so clearly it's not a "lack of game knowledge" problem

When people hear "clone", they imagine something similar to the item being referenced that is an entirely different item. For example, calling the AUR AX an "AUR A1 clone" fits this idea since they are identical in every way except for the AX having a rail mount instead of an attached scope. The same can be said of the CR-550 and the M70 since these are effectively clones of each other with minor differences

When you call something a clone just because it had its name changed, it's not going to make sense to most people

if you "knew" every gun in the game then you would have known
what i was talking about Jethro and Idaho, who actually Do know the
game had no problem identifying the weapon in question.
When you said "SKS clone", I immediately thought of the SKS, but then was thinking of what other gun in the game could be referred to as a "clone". I assumed it would be another semi-auto rifle that fires 7.62x39 ammo, but there aren't any weapons that fit that bill. The closest weapon to a semi-auto 7.62x39 weapon is the AKM, but that's very far off from an SKS by a long shot in terms of appearances

Clearly, if there is a 50% understanding rate, then it's not an effective means of saying it since 2 people understood it and 2 people were confused. If all you said was SKS and left out the "clone" part, nobody would have been confused whatsoever because everyone here knew what the SKS is, but not everyone knew what the "SKS clone" was
最后由 Amogus 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 7:33
baddoggs 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 8:33 
引用自 SUBNORMAL
引用自 baddoggs

if you "knew" every gun in the game then you would have known
what i was talking about Jethro and Idaho, who actually Do know the
game had no problem identifying the weapon in question.
When you said "SKS clone", I immediately thought of the SKS, but then was thinking of what other gun in the game could be referred to as a "clone". I assumed it would be another semi-auto rifle that fires 7.62x39 ammo, but there aren't any weapons that fit that bill. The closest weapon to a semi-auto 7.62x39 weapon is the AKM, but that's very far off from an SKS by a long shot in terms of appearances

Clearly, if there is a 50% understanding rate, then it's not an effective means of saying it since 2 people understood it and 2 people were confused. If all you said was SKS and left out the "clone" part, nobody would have been confused whatsoever because everyone here knew what the SKS is, but not everyone knew what the "SKS clone" was

I guess some people can't admit they made a mistake.
Nuff' said about this, have a good day.
:lunar2019grinningpig:
Amogus 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 9:09 
引用自 baddoggs
I guess some people can't admit they made a mistake.
Nuff' said about this, have a good day.
:lunar2019grinningpig:
引用自 SUBNORMAL
Clearly, if there is a 50% understanding rate, then it's not an effective means of saying it since 2 people understood it and 2 people were confused
I literally said I was confused???
最后由 Amogus 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 27 日 下午 9:10
Luca NK 2024 年 5 月 28 日 下午 3:54 
引用自 SUBNORMAL
For example, calling the AUR AX an "AUR A1 clone" fits this idea since they are identical in every way except for the AX having a rail mount instead of an attached scope. The same can be said of the CR-550 and the M70 since these are effectively clones of each other with minor differences

I don't get this animosity, if there are weapons that are similar it just adds to immersion and realism. Vanilla is luckily still a survival game, I always welcome "clutter weapons" that make the real deal harder to find.

This said the examples you give are not exactly in the tomato-tomahto range, I would always pick up a Winchester over a CR550, for the simple reason that I like to see where my shots land, and I can't honestly be arsed to look for the magazines. Same reason people here still like the Mosin over the SV98.

The two AUGs can't be more different, one is the carbine version, that can't mount optics, has one of the worse sights in the game and only fires from the dedicated magazine, the AX version is the real deal, full barrel, better damage, optics and scopes option, proper suppressor and able to load any magazine you can find.
最后由 Luca NK 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 28 日 下午 3:55
Humpenstilzchen 2024 年 5 月 28 日 下午 4:51 
It sounds pretty dope though.
Amogus 2024 年 5 月 29 日 下午 4:10 
引用自 Luca NK
I don't get this animosity, if there are weapons that are similar it just adds to immersion and realism. Vanilla is luckily still a survival game, I always welcome "clutter weapons" that make the real deal harder to find.
I don't have any problem with there being "clutter" weapons whatsoever, but there's a line between "clutter" and "needless copy"

The CR-550 and M70 are effectively reskins of the same weapon. They are both hunting rifles, both take the same attachments, both fire the same caliber, both are nearly identical in weight, both take up the same amount of slots in a backpack, and both spawn in the same locations with the ONLY difference between them being that the CR-550 requires a magazine while the M70 has an integrated magazine

While you could argue that the magazine condition sets it apart enough to be different from the M70, that's really not enough to justify it as a "clutter" weapon. Additionally, since the CR-550 is a bolt-action rifle, manually having to reload after each shot isn't as much of a downside as an M4 with a mag compared to an M4 without a mag would be, so the magazine requirement barely puts it below the M70 in terms of overall usability

Ultimately, the one downside of the CR-550 vs the M70 isn't enough of a downside to justify two different weapons. If you have a CR-550 without a magazine, the only thing you're having to deal with is a 1-2 second longer reload time between shots while everything else would be the same
最后由 Amogus 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 29 日 下午 6:57
GetInTheHangar 2024 年 5 月 30 日 上午 3:21 
引用自 SUBNORMAL
引用自 Luca NK
I don't get this animosity, if there are weapons that are similar it just adds to immersion and realism. Vanilla is luckily still a survival game, I always welcome "clutter weapons" that make the real deal harder to find.
I don't have any problem with there being "clutter" weapons whatsoever, but there's a line between "clutter" and "needless copy"

The CR-550 and M70 are effectively reskins of the same weapon. They are both hunting rifles, both take the same attachments, both fire the same caliber, both are nearly identical in weight, both take up the same amount of slots in a backpack, and both spawn in the same locations with the ONLY difference between them being that the CR-550 requires a magazine while the M70 has an integrated magazine

While you could argue that the magazine condition sets it apart enough to be different from the M70, that's really not enough to justify it as a "clutter" weapon. Additionally, since the CR-550 is a bolt-action rifle, manually having to reload after each shot isn't as much of a downside as an M4 with a mag compared to an M4 without a mag would be, so the magazine requirement barely puts it below the M70 in terms of overall usability

Ultimately, the one downside of the CR-550 vs the M70 isn't enough of a downside to justify two different weapons. If you have a CR-550 without a magazine, the only thing you're having to deal with is a 1-2 second longer reload time between shots while everything else would be the same
I would argue the mag is much worse even in combat. Lets be real, you dont need access to 10 shots with a bolt action, 5 is enough and with the internal mag you can keep it topped.

You can fire one shot, if you are in no rush top load it and keep doing that until you need to fire all 5 shots in a faster time. Its one of the reasons why I maintain the SKS is actually one of the best guns in the game just due to its ease to find, set up, its flexibility in combat.

Why would you take the SV98 over an M70? Or over a CR550? I'm not saying that we need to feature creep and make every new gun the best but .338 is IMO a reasonable round to stop at as the top tier. And if you wont do that then please add a 12-16x scope that can go on guns with rails.

最后由 GetInTheHangar 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 30 日 上午 3:29
Vitya 2024 年 5 月 30 日 下午 2:57 
I found 1 and i reapir it but i cant try it for a random guy come to me and he say "i see u Vitya u can talk" and shoot me down trough the wall after i dont answer.... ( i saw her clipping throw the wall with a shotgun....)
shedora 2024 年 5 月 30 日 下午 3:04 
dayz devs when it's time to add a new gun (it will have horrible balance and a modder has already added it the game via mods) what will they think of next, a snow map?! (spoiler modders did this like 10 years ago)
Amogus 2024 年 5 月 30 日 下午 6:23 
引用自 GetInTheHangar
I would argue the mag is much worse even in combat. Lets be real, you dont need access to 10 shots with a bolt action, 5 is enough and with the internal mag you can keep it topped.

You can fire one shot, if you are in no rush top load it and keep doing that until you need to fire all 5 shots in a faster time. Its one of the reasons why I maintain the SKS is actually one of the best guns in the game just due to its ease to find, set up, its flexibility in combat.

Why would you take the SV98 over an M70? Or over a CR550? I'm not saying that we need to feature creep and make every new gun the best but .338 is IMO a reasonable round to stop at as the top tier. And if you wont do that then please add a 12-16x scope that can go on guns with rails.
I was thinking the same way regarding the magazine, but didn't really think about it until a time afterwards

When you're sniping, you're typically not going to be shooting a lot and, if you are, you're just not sniping very well. When it comes to close encounters, you're either going to be relying on a appropriate secondary weapon or putting yourself at a major disadvantage with the bolt-action in close quarters

Realistically, I don't see them making a new ammo type nor adding in a high-power scope like that. As you can see, most people are already not too big of fans of snipers in general since it doesn't promote very engaging gameplay experiences. Personally, I have no issue with it because people are gonna play how they want whether they have a sniper rifle or a shotgun, so limiting the choices doesn't make sense

However, there are obviously some sensible limitations regarding weaponry to keep it feeling more like a hardcore survival and less like a mil sim game. For example, there's really no place for rocket launchers or tanks in this game, so they're not ever gonna be added into the vanilla game. I'd say that .338 Lapua is pretty much the top line for high-tier equipment being added to this game since anything else would be pushing it such as .50 cal weaponry
user44 2024 年 5 月 30 日 下午 6:24 
i guess im gonna stop looking for it t hen
Luca NK 2024 年 5 月 31 日 上午 1:47 
引用自 SUBNORMAL
引用自 Luca NK
I don't get this animosity, if there are weapons that are similar it just adds to immersion and realism. Vanilla is luckily still a survival game, I always welcome "clutter weapons" that make the real deal harder to find.
The CR-550 and M70 are effectively reskins of the same weapon. They are both hunting rifles, both take the same attachments, both fire the same caliber, both are nearly identical in weight, both take up the same amount of slots in a backpack, and both spawn in the same locations with the ONLY difference between them being that the CR-550 requires a magazine while the M70 has an integrated magazine

An M4 takes the same slots as an AUG, fires the same round, mounts the same optics and magazines, but even without considering the looks, which apparently makes it fine compared to M70-CR550, they can't be more different looking at the stats.

The magazine thing for the CR 550 influences the approach you need to have when trying to put together a high end sniper rifle, and yes, chambering every round may not seem a big deal, but that 1-2 seconds extra can make the difference between you being able to follow up a shot on someone you knocked out because he's wearing armour, and that same guy getting back up and into cover.

And once again, they are very different weapons if you look at the stats. Recoil is the red flag for me, CR550 is even worse than a Blaze, and miles behind the Winchester.

I get your point, they may look identical, but if the difference in stats influences my gameplay and approach to the weapon, that's good enough for me.
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