Ski slope and direction of updates

[=M.D= Lion]

Here's something that bothered me and on reflection, maybe it sums up developers attitude towards the game and how the players actually play the game.

While theres some nice fixes, I'm mainly bothered by and focusing on the following in this post;

adding a ski slop with no snow or skiing slopes

Its just a few buildings and ski lifts on a green and wooded hill. Mockingly there's even pictures of what they imagined it should look like, including snowed hills. What you get is quite different

Its pretty pointless and disappointing to make that journey to visit and there's zero interesting loot in the location, there's nothing unique. Not even any ski equipment or anything like that to see. Certainly nothing you haven't picked up already on your way up here, its above the NWAF and under Tisy

I just wondered why it was added at all. It adds zero to the game in any way other than a bare effort to fill up empty land with a pointless thing which is at best a low effort visual and it hasn't really been done very well, in all fairness.

The biathlon area was a bit more interesting but sufferers from the same overall issues, there's really nothing new here you wouldn't have seen elsewhere already and no loot worth the journey

I used the biathlon area to build a huge maze for an event as it was one of the best flat areas on the map, it would be nice to see something like that added. A maze, like you might see in a park or fair or a large garden area for tourism that's overgrown and dilapidated

Heres the video of the maze if you want to see
https://youtu.be/UGG8J4Isy4U


If the idea is to survive and find items to help you do that, why would anyone go there more than once? There's really no point in going here or adding this to the map in my opinion so far inland between two military loot spawning areas.
They are spending their time working on stuff like this, rather than adding something i'd argue was more interesting, like a underground research facility or a place where the wreckage of a military conflict between infected and survivors took place or a last stand full of bodies, how about an evacuation point with helicopters or something new, generally speaking, how about a new island, a new building or something like that.

I just don't see any use or point of adding fairgrounds (last update) and now a ski slope, its a visual at best and serves no real function and isnt very interesting, for the reasons mentioned, at least to me.

Go and visit it yourself if you haven't already, im sure you'll see what i mean even if you don't agree

The dayz expansion mod really highlights the difference between what can be done and what is being done

The developers didn't add boats, helicopters, overgrowth or details inside buildings, they added a snowless ski slope. Is that what you wanted to see?
Is that what they think players want?

Do you see what i mean?


This is meant as constructive criticism and feedback im not trying to complain for the sake of it, its just impossible to not say something at this point because of the disappointment i feel

i still enjoy the game overall but to be honest thats mostly due to the mod community at this point. I dont expect this post to make any difference i just had to get it off my chest

If you have made it this far, then thanks for taking the time to read my thoughts on the latest update

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I guess the intention is purely as a decorative, I'm considering taking a drive up there just to check it out. One of the things I really want to see in Vanilla is the ability to change the weather on my server between winter and summer. Then the hazard zone; why this has not been added yet is beyond me, the hazmat equipment has been around for a while.

Nice maze

[Luca NK]

Originally posted by Uncle Joe:

the hazmat equipment has been around for a while.

And consistently spawning where more useful stuff could spawn too...

[alphajim49]

It's summer in chernarus, so there's no snow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[=M.D= Lion]

Originally posted by Uncle Joe:

I guess the intention is purely as a decorative, I'm considering taking a drive up there just to check it out. One of the things I really want to see in Vanilla is the ability to change the weather on my server between winter and summer. Then the hazard zone; why this has not been added yet is beyond me, the hazmat equipment has been around for a while.

Nice maze

Both toxic zones, my groups server has three zones one of which moves and weather is available through mods, ive been on a winter modded server and the cold was another threat, it also looked good although there's no snow on trees just the ground and no snow built up in mounds on trees or buildings etc, i doubt we'll see it in vanilla. If its purely visual it should at least be interesting and well done with some actual work to make it into a site, with supporting buildings etc, to give you a feeling like you're actually at a ski site and thank you

[=M.D= Lion]

Originally posted by alphajim49:

It's summer in chernarus, so there's no snow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well exactly, so why add a ski slope?

Ski slopes are built at altitudes where snow exists all year round and there's also fake snow slopes. And without mods, its never not summer. And Where's the ski lodges and ski equipment? Visit it and look, where's the hill you ski on, Where's the course?
Thats the point, its very low effort

[alphajim49]

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

Originally posted by alphajim49:

It's summer in chernarus, so there's no snow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ski slopes are built at altitudes where snow exists all year round and there's also fake snow slopes. And without mods, its never not summer. And Where's the ski lodges and ski equipment?

There's not such altitude in the game, and there shouldn't be one or it would feel artificial.
Anyway winter athletic games are played in winter.

I don't play modded servers, except some rare vanilla or survival+ servers they all are about pewpew or easy loot. But would be nice to have a season choice for server owners and on official too.

As for the last part I can't answer, I still have to visit the biatlon site.

[=M.D= Lion]

Originally posted by alphajim49:

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

Ski slopes are built at altitudes where snow exists all year round and there's also fake snow slopes. And without mods, its never not summer. And Where's the ski lodges and ski equipment?

There's not such altitude in the game, and there shouldn't be one or it would feel artificial.
Anyway winter athletic games are played in winter.

I don't play modded servers, except some rare vanilla or survival+ servers they all are about pewpew or easy loot. But would be nice to have a season choice for server owners and on official too.

As for the last part I can't answer, I still have to visit the biatlon site.

Yes exactly, so why add a ski slope.
It makes no sense. Its not high enough and its never winter.
They could have at least added fake slopes but didn't. They used stuff that was already in to put a few buildings and a lift in.

A couple of new buildings with s ski theme and some fake slopes would have made all the difference to this area.

The loot isn't worth speaking about, i cant see many people getting into fights here either because they probably wont bother going there especially

If you remember when tisy or prison island was added, they had themes and a reason to go there so lots of players made those journeys

[ast]

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

Originally posted by alphajim49:

There's not such altitude in the game, and there shouldn't be one or it would feel artificial.
Anyway winter athletic games are played in winter.

I don't play modded servers, except some rare vanilla or survival+ servers they all are about pewpew or easy loot. But would be nice to have a season choice for server owners and on official too.

As for the last part I can't answer, I still have to visit the biatlon site.

Yes exactly, so why add a ski slope.
It makes no sense. Its not high enough and its never winter.
They could have at least added fake slopes but didn't. They used stuff that was already in to put a few buildings and a lift in.

A couple of new buildings with s ski theme and some fake slopes would have made all the difference to this area.

The loot isn't worth speaking about, i cant see many people getting into fights here either because they probably wont bother going there especially

If you remember when tisy or prison island was added, they had themes and a reason to go there so lots of players made those journeys

there is enough loot to be found in the new hunting lodges they built near the ski resort...

but yeah I agree with you that it's the same as with the amusement parks:
they're primary cosmetic and offer very little additional gameplay value besides a bit atmosphere.

[=M.D= Lion]

Originally posted by ast:

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

Yes exactly, so why add a ski slope.
It makes no sense. Its not high enough and its never winter.
They could have at least added fake slopes but didn't. They used stuff that was already in to put a few buildings and a lift in.

A couple of new buildings with s ski theme and some fake slopes would have made all the difference to this area.

The loot isn't worth speaking about, i cant see many people getting into fights here either because they probably wont bother going there especially

If you remember when tisy or prison island was added, they had themes and a reason to go there so lots of players made those journeys

there is enough loot to be found in the new hunting lodges they built near the ski resort...

but yeah I agree with you that it's the same as with the amusement parks:
they're primary cosmetic and offer very litle additional gameplay value besides a bit atmosphere.

I guess the hunting lodges are ok, im really and specifically thinking about the ski site and biathlon areas, which i found to be disappointing overall for the reasons stated. You can of course get the same or better stuff elsewhere and you will already have it by then so it would have been nice to see some thing unique amd theme related there, spoets equipment, skis, stuff like that. Maybe a ski bike or snow plough. Thanks for the comment

[Sams]

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

Originally posted by alphajim49:

It's summer in chernarus, so there's no snow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well exactly, so why add a ski slope?

Ski slopes are built at altitudes where snow exists all year round and there's also fake snow slopes. And without mods, its never not summer. And Where's the ski lodges and ski equipment? Visit it and look, where's the hill you ski on, Where's the course?
Thats the point, its very low effort

A what?! I live in latitudes in Europe where there's snow 2-4 months of the year and ski slopes all over the place. And the places aren't mountains, just small hills. And looking at Czechia the game map is modelled after, they seem to have a ton of slopes too.
These are rarely open all year round. When there's not enough of natural snow, they just make it to accommodate skiing. This snow is always gone by summer, and definitely by autumn like in chernarus. Also there's usually just 1-2 ski lift, a lodge, and a parking lot, they're not huge ski resorts in the Alps.

[=M.D= Lion]

Originally posted by Sams:

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

Well exactly, so why add a ski slope?

Ski slopes are built at altitudes where snow exists all year round and there's also fake snow slopes. And without mods, its never not summer. And Where's the ski lodges and ski equipment? Visit it and look, where's the hill you ski on, Where's the course?
Thats the point, its very low effort

A what?! I live in latitudes in Europe where there's snow 2-4 months of the year and ski slopes all over the place. And the places aren't mountains, just small hills. And looking at Czechia the game map is modelled after, they seem to have a ton of slopes too.
These are rarely open all year round. When there's not enough of natural snow, they just make it to accommodate skiing. This snow is always gone by summer, and definitely by autumn like in chernarus. Also there's usually just 1-2 ski lift, a lodge, and a parking lot, they're not huge ski resorts in the Alps.

So you think that this is a good site? Interesting and worth visiting, well done.

Im only going to be repeating myself and im not looking to argue, if you like it that's fine with me

Theres no seasons in vanilla so there's never going to be any snow and the buildings that are there have been recycled from preexisting models, there's nothing new. And if you go up there, theres no obvious slope to ski on even if there was snow.

[Sams]

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

Originally posted by Sams:

A what?! I live in latitudes in Europe where there's snow 2-4 months of the year and ski slopes all over the place. And the places aren't mountains, just small hills. And looking at Czechia the game map is modelled after, they seem to have a ton of slopes too.
These are rarely open all year round. When there's not enough of natural snow, they just make it to accommodate skiing. This snow is always gone by summer, and definitely by autumn like in chernarus. Also there's usually just 1-2 ski lift, a lodge, and a parking lot, they're not huge ski resorts in the Alps.

So you think that this os a good site?

Well it's realistic at least. Also a nice little landmark, which adds to the atmosphere and the "lived" feeling of the map.
I think the game needs more of these kind of "special" places, even though they add very little to the gameplay. And since the environment artists don't fix bugs or develope game functionality, I have no problems with them working on these minor enrichments to the map. It's not like they're gonna do any major map overhauls anyway at this point in the game's lifecycle.

[Sams]

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

So you think that this is a good site? Interesting and worth visiting, well done.

Im only going to be repeating myself and im not looking to argue, if you like it that's fine with me

Theres no seasons in vanilla so there's never going to be any snow and the buildings that are there have been recycled from preexisting models, there's nothing new. And if you go up there, theres no obvious slope to ski on even if there was snow.

Ok I just now visited it for the first time in person. And now I'm confused. That place is massive. There's about 30 buildings, 5-10 slopes and kms of built-up cross country skiing routes. Even a tunnel! Think the only new object is the ski lift, but I didn't expect much more anyway. But it's definitely not low effort.
Are you sure you were in right place?

[=M.D= Lion]

Originally posted by Sams:

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

So you think that this is a good site? Interesting and worth visiting, well done.

Im only going to be repeating myself and im not looking to argue, if you like it that's fine with me

Theres no seasons in vanilla so there's never going to be any snow and the buildings that are there have been recycled from preexisting models, there's nothing new. And if you go up there, theres no obvious slope to ski on even if there was snow.

Ok I just now visited it for the first time in person. And now I'm confused. That place is massive. There's about 30 buildings, 5 slopes and kms of built-up cross country skiing routes. Even a tunnel! Think the only new object is the ski lift, but I didn't much more anyway. But it's definitely not low effort.
Are you sure you were in right place?

Yeah lol of course I was. I spent well over an hour exploring the area before going to the biathlon area
This is where we are going to have to disagree then because it absolutely is a low effort in my opinion for the reasons ive already gone through but thanks for your comments

[Sams]

Originally posted by TAW | M.D Lion:

And if you go up there, theres no obvious slope to ski on even if there was snow.

Well you clearly didn't visit the entirety of the place. There's info billboards at the bottom and the top which show the slopes and they are very obvious even from the ground level.
Go take look at the area from above and you'll see whole thing.

Here's a screenshot album if anyone's interested. https://imgur.com/a/YkEJD8D