Studying ruins in game

[Colonel Tyborc]

so it would appear to me from the amount of degradation to 90% of the lands that are not occupied by active demigods it would appear to me that a few thousand years have passed since the shattering i used to think it would be impossible for it to have been that long, but if you factor in some of the events such as Miquella growing 85% of a new full sized erdtree Mogwyn and morgott escapeing the sewer and building/defending entire Dynasties, and General Redahn literally wandering the dunes so long that his feet and ankles have been ground off by the friction of the sand though his armor, it seem to have been almost 4 to 5 thousand years at maximum.

[Sabaithal]

Hard to tell what exactly constitutes the "normal flow of time" in this world, what with demigods that are who knows how old still alive and kicking. And if this is supposed to be a "realistic" world then we aren't even seeing a fraction of it (infrastructure, civilians, villages farms, etc) so its hard to find a standard to use here.

I will just say not all the ruins are of the same origin. Example: The ruins all around limgrave. Some of them were clearly built there, and others seem to have come from somewhere else entire such as the sky, where one notable ruin is actively crumbling.

Also the "nameless eternal city" in deeproot depths. The architecture of the ruins there is almost identical to another location that isn't in ruins.

[Colonel Tyborc]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Hard to tell what exactly constitutes the "normal flow of time" in this world, what with demigods that are who knows how old still alive and kicking.

I will just say not all the ruins are of the same origin. Example: The ruins all around limgrave. Some of them were clearly built there, and others seem to have come from somewhere else entire such as the sky, where one notable ruin is actively crumbling.

Also the "nameless eternal city" in deeproot depths. The architecture of the ruins there is almost identical to another location that isn't in ruins.

oh i wasen't talking about the chunks of the dogman city i was speaking about churches of Marika for example don't even have floors anymore i mostly was talking about the lands the golden order had since they were the most recent power before the shattering

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

oh i wasen't talking about the chunks of the dogman city i was speaking about churches of Marika for example don't even have floors anymore i mostly was talking about the lands the golden order had since they were the most recent power before the shattering

Well how long does it, realistically, take stone masonry of this type to degrade back into nature? Not an archeologist so take this for what its worth, but at a guess I'd say probably a thousand years tops without maintenance of some sort.

These ruins don't seem like ancient rome or greek, they seem mostly more like late Holy Roman or general middle-ages work, which shouldn't last as long when exposed to the elements without care.

[Lil Grandpa]

kind of a breath of fresh air that the world isn't as ruined as the world is in dark souls.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

so it would appear to me from the amount of degradation to 90% of the lands that are not occupied by active demigods it would appear to me that a few thousand years have passed since the shattering i used to think it would be impossible for it to have been that long, but if you factor in some of the events such as Miquella growing 85% of a new full sized erdtree Mogwyn and morgott escapeing the sewer and building/defending entire Dynasties, and General Redahn literally wandering the dunes so long that his feet and ankles have been ground off by the friction of the sand though his armor, it seem to have been almost 4 to 5 thousand years at maximum.

Interesting post.

Regarding Radahn's feet, if I'm not mistaken it's stated somewhere in the lore that he made use of the gravity magic he studied in Sellia to be able to ride his beloved steed, Leonard, into battle which otherwise would have been impossible due to Radahn growing to such an enormous size/weight.
So it's less because they were worn down over time but more removed on purpose, I guess.

[Lord Bob]

By the way, how long does it usually take for wooden ships to erode?

I just remembered that shipwrecks can be seen in the distance from the beach of Weeping Peninsula.
It doesn't exactly pinpoint the time since the Shattering happened but it's cool to think that someone tried to reach the Lands Between at some point (even if they probably failed in the process).

I'm aware of Godfrey being sent away from the Lands Between and the Tarnished alongside him and also that they used ships.
But that was before the Shattering happened no?

Not trying to hijack your thread Dulgrim, it's just some stuff which crossed my mind.

[Colonel Tyborc]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

so it would appear to me from the amount of degradation to 90% of the lands that are not occupied by active demigods it would appear to me that a few thousand years have passed since the shattering i used to think it would be impossible for it to have been that long, but if you factor in some of the events such as Miquella growing 85% of a new full sized erdtree Mogwyn and morgott escapeing the sewer and building/defending entire Dynasties, and General Redahn literally wandering the dunes so long that his feet and ankles have been ground off by the friction of the sand though his armor, it seem to have been almost 4 to 5 thousand years at maximum.

Interesting post.

Regarding Radahn's feet, if I'm not mistaken it's stated somewhere in the lore that he made use of the gravity magic he studied in Sellia to be able to ride his beloved steed, Leonard, into battle which otherwise would have been impossible due to Radahn growing to such an enormous size/weight.
So it's less because they were worn down over time but more removed on purpose, I guess.

if you look at the first cinematic redahn has his feet when he first fights melania

[Colonel Tyborc]

Originally posted by (Poot) Lil Grandpa:

kind of a breath of fresh air that the world isn't as ruined as the world is in dark souls.

not really considering the rot and the deathblight this world is just as screwed just in a different way

[Fresh]

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

Originally posted by (Poot) Lil Grandpa:

kind of a breath of fresh air that the world isn't as ruined as the world is in dark souls.

not really considering the rot and the deathblight this world is just as screwed just in a different way

deathblight is just cursed from the previous games
madness is actually messed up. just think about grapes

[nfinite.recursion]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

By the way, how long does it usually take for wooden ships to erode?

I just remembered that shipwrecks can be seen in the distance from the beach of Weeping Peninsula.
It doesn't exactly pinpoint the time since the Shattering happened but it's cool to think that someone tried to reach the Lands Between at some point (even if they probably failed in the process).

I'm aware of Godfrey being sent away from the Lands Between and the Tarnished alongside him and also that they used ships.
But that was before the Shattering happened no?

Not trying to hijack your thread Dulgrim, it's just some stuff which crossed my mind.

Wood will last perhaps a few decades in salt water without maintenance.

Though it's entirely possible that a number of those ships are somewhat recent. Roderika implies that she and her escorts crossed by sea.

[Lil Grandpa]

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

Originally posted by (Poot) Lil Grandpa:

kind of a breath of fresh air that the world isn't as ruined as the world is in dark souls.

not really considering the rot and the deathblight this world is just as screwed just in a different way

That's why I said "as," meaning we're talking about a gradient of nightmare scenarios. Elden Ring is a 5. Dark Souls by the time of the third game is a 9/10. Bloodborne is 10/10. The undead curse itself might as well be a two for one of madness and deathblight.

[Fresh]

Originally posted by (Poot) Lil Grandpa:

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

not really considering the rot and the deathblight this world is just as screwed just in a different way

That's why I said "as," meaning we're talking about a gradient of nightmare scenarios. Elden Ring is a 5. Dark Souls by the time of the third game is a 9/10. Bloodborne is 10/10. The undead curse itself might as well be a two for one of madness and deathblight.

Bloodborne was just more furry tbh and it was stupid easy. you just shotgun anything that moves and visceral.
guns in a medieval fantasy just absolutely ruins the aesthetic for me.
felt more like a werewolf western film

Dante's Inferno rings of hell were much darker on the nightmare gradient scale than any of the souls games

[Yal]

Originally posted by Dulgrim Grudgebearer:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Hard to tell what exactly constitutes the "normal flow of time" in this world, what with demigods that are who knows how old still alive and kicking.

I will just say not all the ruins are of the same origin. Example: The ruins all around limgrave. Some of them were clearly built there, and others seem to have come from somewhere else entire such as the sky, where one notable ruin is actively crumbling.

Also the "nameless eternal city" in deeproot depths. The architecture of the ruins there is almost identical to another location that isn't in ruins.

oh i wasen't talking about the chunks of the dogman city i was speaking about churches of Marika for example don't even have floors anymore i mostly was talking about the lands the golden order had since they were the most recent power before the shattering

I think it's not all natural decay, the war itself probably didn't do the buildings any good either (churches would be a prime target when actual gods join the fight, right?)

There's actually been a couple studies on how quickly modern buildings degrade and get taken over by vegetation, and it's less than you'd think - 50 years max. If you check out photos from urban exploration in Japan you can get some wild almost post-apocalyptic scenes from old towns that got abandoned either due to The Bubble or due to more slow-burn urbanization and are now completely overgrown and decrepit.

[Colonel Tyborc]

no i think most of the churches of marika seem like natural decay Considering all of the statues to the gods themselves are perfectly intact

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by nfinite.recursion:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

By the way, how long does it usually take for wooden ships to erode?

I just remembered that shipwrecks can be seen in the distance from the beach of Weeping Peninsula.
It doesn't exactly pinpoint the time since the Shattering happened but it's cool to think that someone tried to reach the Lands Between at some point (even if they probably failed in the process).

I'm aware of Godfrey being sent away from the Lands Between and the Tarnished alongside him and also that they used ships.
But that was before the Shattering happened no?

Not trying to hijack your thread Dulgrim, it's just some stuff which crossed my mind.

Wood will last perhaps a few decades in salt water without maintenance.

Though it's entirely possible that a number of those ships are somewhat recent. Roderika implies that she and her escorts crossed by sea.

True. Didn't the Okina and his disciples also eventually reach the Lands Between? I guess all of them arrived by ship, sooner or later.
For some mysterious reason everyone except for the player's character who seemingly just lays on something wich looks like the platform Radagon is fought on.

Anyway, why are the ships all wrecked and why so far off in the distance? They were probably abandoned after everyone aboard decided to land using a small boat (everyone returning is most likely Tarnished after all), but the distance to shore seems huge, to me at least.