Amount of Fire AOW's is disappointing

[MisterRed]

Basically recently I decided it would be fun to make my faith character into a Black Fire Monk build. I respecced so I could equip the Fire Monk Mace, and learned its AOW was kick, already a bit disappointing so I looked it up, and there are only 5 Fire based AOWs in game. Three of which can't be used on the mace. Prelate's Charge, Blackflame Tornado, and Eruption. The remaining two, Fiery Slash and Flames of the Redmane, are basically just the same thing, but Redman is ultra poise damage. Really hoping that DLC adds more, I want the cool black fire version of Earthshaker that the Monks in game use.

[nfinite.recursion]

Well, Flame of the Redmanes used to be good because it did great stance damage, but this was nerfed in a previous patch.

Flame Strike can be used to apply fire to your weapon like Fire Grease does by using it then following up with a heavy attack. Useful for dogs and hands and some other enemies that freak out about fire.

[MisterRed]

Originally posted by nfinite.recursion:

Well, Flame of the Redmanes used to be good because it did great stance damage, but this was nerfed in a previous patch.

Flame Strike can be used to apply fire to your weapon like Fire Grease does by using it then following up with a heavy attack. Useful for dogs and hands and some other enemies that freak out about fire.

Redmane was nerfed? Then the fire side of things is even worse than I expected. the DLC really needs to load on some new Black Flame, Bloodflame and Fire AOW's. Off topic, but Frost too, since that feels relatively neglected too. Hopefully that gets better with time.

[MULTIPASS]

The stance damage of Redmane was nerfed into the ground, yeah. It's nothing special now in terms of breaking stance. I do love flaming strike and black flame tornado, though.

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by MisterRed:

The amount of fire AOW's is disappointing

Fixed it.

The Ashes themselves are good at doing their job, with Black Flame Tornado being the ultimate boss killer and stunlock tool for anything human-sized. But yeah, a little bit more variety wouldn't hurt.

[MisterRed]

Originally posted by MULTIPASS:

The stance damage of Redmane was nerfed into the ground, yeah. It's nothing special now in terms of breaking stance. I do love flaming strike and black flame tornado, though.

Black Flame tornado was my first thought for a blackfire Monk build, but sadly that only goes on polearms.

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Originally posted by MisterRed:

The amount of fire AOW's is disappointing

Fixed it.

The Ashes themselves are good at doing their job, with Black Flame Tornado being the ultimate boss killer and stunlock tool for anything human-sized. But yeah, a little bit more variety wouldn't hurt.

Entirely fair correction, but yeah, my point is definitely more so on "I wish there was more", especially given the only Black Flame AOW only functions on polearms

[SoulsVet]

I agree, more fire skills would be cool, same with some different lightning weapon skills.
Another option you could try is using either bloodflame blade or blackflame blade paired with a flashy weapon skill.

[MisterRed]

Originally posted by SoulsVet:

I agree, more fire skills would be cool, same with some different lightning weapon skills.
Another option you could try is using either bloodflame blade or blackflame blade paired with a flashy weapon skill.

I was tempted, until I learned that Blackflame Blade didn't even last 10 seconds. Like, I mainly do sunbro stuff, Host is gonna die if I need a water break to reapply my weapon every 10 seconds. Unfair stuff.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Originally posted by MisterRed:

Originally posted by SoulsVet:

I agree, more fire skills would be cool, same with some different lightning weapon skills.
Another option you could try is using either bloodflame blade or blackflame blade paired with a flashy weapon skill.

I was tempted, until I learned that Blackflame Blade didn't even last 10 seconds. Like, I mainly do sunbro stuff, Host is gonna die if I need a water break to reapply my weapon every 10 seconds. Unfair stuff.

It feels like a concept FS began exploring but did not fully realize. Consider Bloodflame, though.

[rabureta]

Blackflame Blade feels like a Bloodborne spell trapped in a game that isn't Bloodborne.

[MisterRed]

Originally posted by CazadorDeLobo:

Originally posted by MisterRed:

I was tempted, until I learned that Blackflame Blade didn't even last 10 seconds. Like, I mainly do sunbro stuff, Host is gonna die if I need a water break to reapply my weapon every 10 seconds. Unfair stuff.

It feels like a concept FS began exploring but did not fully realize. Consider Bloodflame, though.

After doing some tests, I found that my preferred set up was Hoarah Loux's Earthshaker paired with Flame Art imbuement. Bloodflame blade was okay, but I figured the lack of Arcane with the character was really holding back it's potential. Still hoping for more flame AOW in the DLC, but for now this is fun

[Sabaithal]

Its because some of the late-game fire based AoW are some of the most overpowered ones in the game by a large margin.

Prelates charge is capable of stunlocking the crap out of anything without monstrous poise, such as Malenia, and does a frankly insane amount of damage.

And blackflame tornado...well I don't think I even need to say anything about that one, do I? If you've ever used it you know exactly how broken it can be.

[MisterRed]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Its because some of the late-game fire based AoW are some of the most overpowered ones in the game by a large margin.

Prelates charge is capable of stunlocking the crap out of anything without monstrous poise, such as Malenia, and does a frankly insane amount of damage.

And blackflame tornado...well I don't think I even need to say anything about that one, do I? If you've ever used it you know exactly how broken it can be.

I totally get that. The 3 that I can't put on my mace are all super good. Blackflame Tornado and Prelate's Charge are probably both top 3 non-unique AOW's in game. Eruption is super strong too. Redmane Flame was nerfed and is kinda mediocre now, and Fire Slash is okay, definitely has it's uses but I don't love it. Which is why I wish there were more fire AOW's, especially ones that are less picky weapon wise. Colossal weapons and polearms are beloved by the fire weapon arts, and I wish my mace had options as good as that too

[Tetsuya_Kurogane]

I mean, all elemental type AoW only have like only 3 to 4 different skill.
At least, once you have the corresponding whetstone, you can turn your weapon into any elemental one.

But I sure hope for more cool flame-based attack from the DLC.

[Senki]

I mean that kinda applies to all of them

Arguably blood type ones have it the worst. You only have 4. Or poison if you wanna count that which only has 2.

Sacred/Magic ones have the biggest amount, everyone else is doing as bad as the fire ones if not worse.