Tips for sellia town tree branch skip

[Apocalyptic616]

Can someone give me some tips for the sellia tree branch skip im trying to learn some of the speedrun strats. is there a trick to getting this down or is it just practice?

[Fistraiser]

Is that what speedrun strats are?Abusing glitches?

[Lichtgestalt]

You can skip the entire sellia thing by going to dragonbarrow and jumping down a spirit well.

Nevermind. Did not read that you are looking for some speedrun glitch.

[Zogtar]

Probably better to go to a speed running community to ask this. I don't think speed runners hang out here.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Is that what speedrun strats are?Abusing glitches?

Depending on the category, yes. Other than that, using Torrent to bypass a spot where an invisible wall ends isn't really abusing glitches.

There's also glitches any%, which des not permit using (most) glitches (most because it has been a while since I last checked how the ruling considering glitches any% was). It's really a consensus the speedrunning community agreed upon at some point.

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Is that what speedrun strats are?Abusing glitches?

Depending on the category, yes. Other than that, using Torrent to bypass a spot where an invisible wall ends isn't really abusing glitches.

There's also glitches any%, which des not permit using (most) glitches (most because it has been a while since I last checked how the ruling considering glitches any% was). It's really a consensus the speedrunning community agreed upon at some point.

So if the speedrunning council say a certain cheat is allowed to be used then its ok for everyone to cheat?
But if someone cheats to do something not speedrunning orientated like pvp glitches etc its not ok?
Im confused.last time i checked cheating was still cheating.
Why cant people just speedrun the honest way without abusing glitches?

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Depending on the category, yes. Other than that, using Torrent to bypass a spot where an invisible wall ends isn't really abusing glitches.

There's also glitches any%, which des not permit using (most) glitches (most because it has been a while since I last checked how the ruling considering glitches any% was). It's really a consensus the speedrunning community agreed upon at some point.

So if the speedrunning council say a certain cheat is allowed to be used then its ok for everyone to cheat?
But if someone cheats to do something not speedrunning orientated like pvp glitches etc its not ok?
Im confused.last time i checked cheating was still cheating.
Why cant people just speedrun the honest way without abusing glitches?

I'd like to point out that using cheat engine is not permitted at all during any speedrun. In fact, it's highly frowned upon by the speedrunning community if a player is found out to have cheated.

However, making use of glitches/exploits is, depending on the category. There are glitchless categories and those which permit the use of glitches.

Then again, speedrunning has nothing to do with pvp. Those are two entirely different parts of the souls community which operate independently from each other.

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Im confused.last time i checked cheating was still cheating.
Why cant people just speedrun the honest way without abusing glitches?

There's no clear and firm definition that delineates what exactly is cheating, what's a glitch, what's an exploit, and what's normal gameplay. It's all subjective to varying extents.

[Persona Au Gratin]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Depending on the category, yes. Other than that, using Torrent to bypass a spot where an invisible wall ends isn't really abusing glitches.

There's also glitches any%, which des not permit using (most) glitches (most because it has been a while since I last checked how the ruling considering glitches any% was). It's really a consensus the speedrunning community agreed upon at some point.

So if the speedrunning council say a certain cheat is allowed to be used then its ok for everyone to cheat?
But if someone cheats to do something not speedrunning orientated like pvp glitches etc its not ok?
Im confused.last time i checked cheating was still cheating.
Why cant people just speedrun the honest way without abusing glitches?

You know, seeing you psychotically oscillate between some weird elitism to being mad about people who "play game real good" in a way you don't like is definitely something. Have a clown.

[Persona Au Gratin]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

So if the speedrunning council say a certain cheat is allowed to be used then its ok for everyone to cheat?
But if someone cheats to do something not speedrunning orientated like pvp glitches etc its not ok?
Im confused.last time i checked cheating was still cheating.
Why cant people just speedrun the honest way without abusing glitches?

I'd like to point out that using cheat engine is not permitted at all during any speedrun. In fact, it's highly frowned upon by the speedrunning community if a player is found out to have cheated.

However, making use of glitches/exploits is, depending on the category. There are glitchless categories and those which permit the use of glitches.

Then again, speedrunning has nothing to do with pvp. Those are two entirely different parts of the souls community which operate independently from each other.

I'm pretty sure it's a bit, tbh.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Persona Au Gratin:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

So if the speedrunning council say a certain cheat is allowed to be used then its ok for everyone to cheat?
But if someone cheats to do something not speedrunning orientated like pvp glitches etc its not ok?
Im confused.last time i checked cheating was still cheating.
Why cant people just speedrun the honest way without abusing glitches?

You know, seeing you psychotically oscillate between some weird elitism to being mad about people who "play game real good" in a way you don't like is definitely something. Have a clown.

There is some real confusion surrounding the ruling of certain speedrun categories, which by the way differ from game to game. Why glitches are permitted in particular is something people often wonder about, and rightfully so, I should add.

If it was a bit and I fell for it, shame on me. If it was a genuine question, I hope I could shed some light on the issue.

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Is that what speedrun strats are?Abusing glitches?

Skip =/= Glitch

A glitch would entail, for example, clipping through textures - something that is an oversight and wasn't made possible on purpose.

A skip, on the other hand, is a legitimate way of creating shortcuts through either intentional level design or player's knowledge of the game. Sometimes both.

[Persona Au Gratin]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Originally posted by Persona Au Gratin:

You know, seeing you psychotically oscillate between some weird elitism to being mad about people who "play game real good" in a way you don't like is definitely something. Have a clown.

There is some real confusion surrounding the ruling of certain speedrun categories, which by the way differ from game to game. Why glitches are permitted in particular is something people often wonder about, and rightfully so, I should add.

If it was a bit and I fell for it, shame on me. If it was a genuine question, I hope I could shed some light on the issue.

As someone who has speed run games before, I definitely recognize that. But this is also someone, the person you're speaking to, who likes to grief people for their perceived skill at these games. So there's a very funny contradiction going on here. And, frankly, it just doesn't pass the smell test with an account like that.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Persona Au Gratin:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

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As someone who has speed run games before, I definitely recognize that. But this is also someone, the person you're speaking to, who likes to grief people for their perceived skill at these games. So there's a very funny contradiction going on here. And, frankly, it just doesn't pass the smell test with an account like that.

Well, I honestly haven't been keeping tabs on fistraiser, so I am not aware of any contradictions regarding the topic at hand.

[Apocalyptic616]

I don’t want to sound rude but does anyone have an answer to my original question rather than arguing lol

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Apocalyptic616:

I don’t want to sound rude but does anyone have an answer to my original question rather than arguing lol

Just to be sure, you're starting from the Dragonbarrow and want to jump down to Sellia from up there, right?

Or is it the other way around?