When does a build cross the line of being "cheesy" or "OP"

[EGGZxOVERxExZ]

Alot of the times, i see people calling out build that are just simply well put together as "cheesy" or "OP".
Now, i understand a pure sorcery build or a pure incantation build one one with both mingles together. I can see that where all you do is stand there and blast Azures Comet (may have butchered the name. I bad with names >__< , i can see that being "cheesy"

But then we have peop;e who use Bleed or Arcane builds but i see get called out as "cheesy" builds when they really aren't imo.

How i look at it is this, if youre using melee in your build or using partial ranged then i wouldn't call that as
"cheesy" if the build is viable and just flat out good(aka powerful) but if youre using a flat ranged build where you run around and you rarely have to dodge and you just use your ranged sorcery's to go through the entire game then i would call that as a "cheesy" build.

But im curious as to where that line is with the community? When does a build border that line of being "cheesy" or "op"

[Eastersimulator]

your build is well balanced if you light roll and use weapons with buildup. Anything else is overpowered and I hate build variety

[Sabaithal]

If you're stunlocking a boss to death I would consider that cheesy.

Anything else, well there are builds that certainly require less skill to pull off (Bleed builds, Comet Azure spam builds, blasphemous blade builds, etc), but I wouldn't consider them cheesy unless they clearly break game mechanics like the aforementioned stunlocking thing.

[ReBootXD]

My definition of ‘cheese’ is succeeding in a way that’s not intended. Tricking a Nights Calvary into jumping off a bridge into the void? Cheese. Bleeding the absolute piss out of Melania? Not cheese.

[Kim]

Originally posted by EGGZxOVERxExZ:

Alot of the times, i see people calling out build that are just simply well put together as "cheesy" or "OP".
Now, i understand a pure sorcery build or a pure incantation build one one with both mingles together. I can see that where all you do is stand there and blast Azures Comet (may have butchered the name. I bad with names >__< , i can see that being "cheesy"

But then we have peop;e who use Bleed or Arcane builds but i see get called out as "cheesy" builds when they really aren't imo.

How i look at it is this, if youre using melee in your build or using partial ranged then i wouldn't call that as
"cheesy" if the build is viable and just flat out good(aka powerful) but if youre using a flat ranged build where you run around and you rarely have to dodge and you just use your ranged sorcery's to go through the entire game then i would call that as a "cheesy" build.

But im curious as to where that line is with the community? When does a build border that line of being "cheesy" or "op"

any use of anything after SL1, naked, with bare hands, is cheesy.

[Detergent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTfvTjYU5rI

[Clockwork]

Originally posted by ReBootXD:

My definition of ‘cheese’ is succeeding in a way that’s not intended. Tricking a Nights Calvary into jumping off a bridge into the void? Cheese. Bleeding the absolute piss out of Melania? Not cheese.

Who's Melania?

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Clockwork:

Originally posted by ReBootXD:

My definition of ‘cheese’ is succeeding in a way that’s not intended. Tricking a Nights Calvary into jumping off a bridge into the void? Cheese. Bleeding the absolute piss out of Melania? Not cheese.

Who's Melania?

I think she was that pink chick from Queen's Blade or something.

[Xaelon]

You should use whatever you want on your first playthrough. You can always challenge yourself on future playthroughs if you want.

[ReBootXD]

Originally posted by Clockwork:

Originally posted by ReBootXD:

My definition of ‘cheese’ is succeeding in a way that’s not intended. Tricking a Nights Calvary into jumping off a bridge into the void? Cheese. Bleeding the absolute piss out of Melania? Not cheese.

Who's Melania?

One of the shardbearers, she’s an optional boss, don’t want to spoil too much

[Clockwork]

Originally posted by ReBootXD:

Originally posted by Clockwork:

Who's Melania?

One of the shardbearers, she’s an optional boss, don’t want to spoil too much

Malenia?

[Eastersimulator]

Originally posted by Clockwork:

Originally posted by ReBootXD:

My definition of ‘cheese’ is succeeding in a way that’s not intended. Tricking a Nights Calvary into jumping off a bridge into the void? Cheese. Bleeding the absolute piss out of Melania? Not cheese.

Who's Melania?

she is someone, who is something of somebody else

[Knavenformed]

Personally when you start mixing multiple families of spells in one character I find it a bit "cheesy" since it just doesn't work inside the game world, though that's just me

The only true cheesy thing in the game though is Rot Breath/Ezykes Decay
That as a concept is the only thing I have to wonder why it's even given to the player to use
It is in the game so godspeed to anyone who uses it, but I just don't get it if Fromsoft is adamant in tuning the difficulty higher each game until we reached a point where that spell is included lol

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Knavenformed:

Personally when you start mixing multiple families of spells in one character I find it a bit "cheesy" since it just doesn't work inside the game world, though that's just me

Maybe that's what's considered normal in universe, but if normal people were capable of doing what needed to be done... well we wouldn't be in the situation we are to begin with.

I think the point of the tarnished is that they are supposed to be kind of abnormal, because at this point nothing else has worked out.

[Kim]

if a build "feels" cheesy , any build can do it.

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Kim:

any use of anything after SL1, naked, with bare hands, is cheesy.

How is that cheesy? You're not doing anything to break game mechanics, you're fighting the same way you otherwise would, just with less margin for error.

that raises few questions :

Who determine what build is cheesy ?
Do you determine if a build is cheesy ?
A cheesy build is a thing , or a feeling ?

[Ryvaku]

They are in the game by design. Not the player's fault the Dev's do not play their own game.