Great Jar Challenge is now impossible.

[Grey Dragon]

Any advice on beating the Great Jar Challenge?

When you find the Great Jar in Caelid, talking to it unlocks three summon signs. Each of these allows you to summon one of the Knights of the Jar to duel with them. You must beat all 3 without using a checkpoint in between to complete the challenge. The problem is with how the character builds for the Knights of the Jar is determined.

Every time you take on the Great Jar Challenge, each Knight has a random build from a player who beat the challenge before. Of course, this means that the builds have become stronger over time. It has now reached the point where taking one hit from any of the knights means instant death, regardless of your build. You could simply make sure you're offline when you first meet the Great Jar, but if you have spoken to the Great Jar while online at any point during your game, it's too late.

EDIT: Turns out I tried this challenge WAY too early and all builds that you face are those of high-level characters. D'oh!

[Mr.America]

Don't get hit, learn to parry... git gud.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Grey Dragon:

but if you have spoken to the Great Jar while online at any point during your game, it's too late.

I don't think this is true, unless they changed it recently. Try it if you haven't already.

[NotForMe]

pretty sure you can go offline, talking to the great jar does not lock in builds, it's what I did.

[DayLight1943]

what level are you when attempting it? the last time i fought one was on a finished RL138 build, just for funsies while opening the caelid arena. it was fine, not super crazy, no one shots, not super hard.

in the past when i did this fight in a normal playthru, i was much lower level and it was much more challenging.

the ring you are getting is essentially havels ring +3 from ds3, which was available in the very last area of the game, with players expected to be around SL120-150.

in ER, the challenge of getting "havels ring +3" is still a challenge that is balanced for finished, end game level characters, just like it was in ds3, the difference here is that they now allow the player to access this challenge MUCH earlier in the game. if youre crazy good at the game or want to bang your head against the wall for hours and hours to get the talisman at something like RL40 or RL60, thats great! players have that option. but the level of challenge around that talisman is end game level challenge, because youre getting an end game ring.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Grey Dragon:

No attempt has been made to re-balance this challenge, so unless a reliable way can be found to cheese the fights or outright cheat your way through them, the challenge will remain nigh impossible for anyone who attempts it while online.

There are a lot of ways to cheese the three jar summons, you just have to look them up.

Or if you get lucky you'll get two summons that have nothing but a shield on them.

What is your build/stat distribution by the way?

[An Actual Skeleton]

I did the challenge recent-ish (like, a week and a half ago) and I went offline for it after getting my ass kicked a lot, and it used the default challengers. you might have to change you online status, then exit and reenter the game to get the summon signs to reset, tho.

[Grey Dragon]

Originally posted by MULTIPASS:

Originally posted by Grey Dragon:

but if you have spoken to the Great Jar while online at any point during your game, it's too late.

I don't think this is true, unless they changed it recently. Try it if you haven't already.

It's no use. The overpowered builds are locked in and don't change if I restart in offline mode.

For the record, my level when attempting this was 52.

[Honk1]

If they haven't messed this up somehow in 1.10, it's not true that you will be oneshot by these guys. Just put enough points into vigor (50+).

You can't just run in there and mash attack, they have too much health for that.

Try playing defensively and watch what they are doing, these NPC types of enemies play pretty predictable most of the time. Parrying them also works really well if they use a weapon which is parriable.

EDIT: Just read your answer. Lvl 52 is pretty low, but it's definitely doable at that level.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Grey Dragon:

Originally posted by MULTIPASS:

I don't think this is true, unless they changed it recently. Try it if you haven't already.

It's no use. The overpowered builds are locked in and don't change if I restart in offline mode.

For the record, my level when attempting this was 52.

Then you're just fighting the default builds and they're too strong for you at 52.

[Grey Dragon]

I deliberately tried the challenge at a relatively low level because I'd heard that the selection of enemy builds levels with you. I guess that was pretty dumb.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Grey Dragon:

I deliberately tried the challenge at a relatively low level because I'd heard that the selection of enemy builds levels with you. I guess that was pretty dumb.

They are definitely not scaled down to your level, or to your stats in any way.
If I'm not mistaken the jar warriors are also buffed to the point of having a massive health pool.

Unlike certain other summons, which can be encountered in Deeproot Depths which really have not buff at all, as they easily just die to anything.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Grey Dragon:

I deliberately tried the challenge at a relatively low level because I'd heard that the selection of enemy builds levels with you. I guess that was pretty dumb.

You heard wrong, the offline builds are the same at any level and will be easier when you're bigger. I'm not sure how the stats of the online builds are set up, they might also have a level set for health and damage scaling.

[Honk1]

Originally posted by Grey Dragon:

I deliberately tried the challenge at a relatively low level because I'd heard that the selection of enemy builds levels with you. I guess that was pretty dumb.

I also read that at some point, but I don't think it's true. It definitely gets easier when you level. If you don't plan on staying at a low level during your playthrough, I'd recommend just coming back later and just use a weaker version of the talisman until then. While it's doable at your level, you will need a few tries and the runback is super irritating.

[Sephylon]

Could just cheese it and make the npcs jump off the cliff

[Sabaithal]

Do it offline and deal with the NPCS. Tip: Jump attacks