Why is hard-swapping frowned upon?

[✪Asielra✪]

Noticed a few people being very vocal about how hard-swapping is a sweat-lord thingy that's somehow bad, wanna understand why they think so. I personally thought it's super cool when I learned it from some content creator on YT, being able to adapt to the situation and surprise your opponents and all...

For the sake of the argument let's define swapping to dual nagis with BHS as rage swapping (which is always hillarious), and discard it from the discourse.

[An Irate Walrus]

Because there's my way to play the game, and then there's the wrong way to play the game.

[C1REX]

The is no reason to complain about this. Somebody just changed his weapon during fight.

[Koala 4peace]

Because it probably worked and the one who complains lost (lose?).

Enter those who would say that they did not lose but still complain, completely missing the point.

[justfaded]

Sore losers

[desecratedpetals]

Originally posted by csand:

No respect for hard swaps. Get good with your build and live or die by your choice.

Having access to every piece of equipment to counter any build to save yourself from losing is absolutely in the realm of sweatlords

Someone changing talismans or weapon mid fight doesn't matter that much. If your entire build is countered by that I think you just have a bad build.

[Augoeides]

Because it discourages builds, and basically encourages people to stick to the dumbass instant kill metas that plagues this game. I want to root for weapon adaptation and all of that, but that's not how people use it. Some to the point of abuse.

I just had a colosseum match, where someone attacked me during the initial unspoken buff period, but I quickly counterplayed them and put us on somewhat equal footing. As soon as they realized I have a small chance at win (despite them getting free dishonorable hits on me), they dropped their weapons and hard swapped to Moonveil (presumeably to avoid fat rolling), then proceeded to spam 1k damage attacks on me, then teabag me like they accomplished something profound.

Super fun, and totally a skill-based tactic, instead of sticking with their claws and waiting for an opening with my slow scythe. I'm starting to really hate this game.

Your given 6 Armament slots, that's more than enough to plan out a build for multiple situations. In my opinion, if you have to drop all your gear and swap to completely new stuff (to avoid Heavy Loadout or whatever), then you don't know what your doing in the first place. Just offload a few points from one stat and put it in Endurance.

If your enemy is a mage, there are plenty of anti-magic shields and low requirement magic resistant spells/items you can use to counter that. You don't need to drop your entire armor set or whatever to swap to full magic resist tank or something like that. It just ruins the spirit of the game.

In a "good" RPG, no character build is supposed to be perfect. You shouldn't have be able to counterplay EVERY playstyle. Ideally, you should have a weakness, or we end up with the dumbass metas that we already have.

I don't mind people swapping talismans for their situation (like for flask boosting or low health buffs), but equipment itself should be locked during combat. It's dumb enough that you can 2shot people who have 60%+ negation with 2,000 health, and then call that a fair PvP match.

[Commander Vex]

Originally posted by Augoeides:

Because it discourages builds, and basically encourages people to stick to the dumbass instant kill metas that plagues this game. I want to root for weapon adaptation and all of that, but that's not how people use it. Some to the point of abuse.

I just had a colosseum match, where someone attacked me during the initial unspoken buff period, but I quickly counterplayed them and put us on somewhat equal footing. As soon as they realized I have a small chance at win (despite them getting free dishonorable hits on me), they dropped their weapons and hard swapped to Moonveil (presumeably to avoid fat rolling), then proceeded to spam 1k damage attacks on me, then teabag me like they accomplished something profound.

Super fun, and totally a skill-based tactic, instead of sticking with their claws and waiting for an opening with my slow scythe. I'm starting to really hate this game.

Your given 6 Armament slots, that's more than enough to plan out a build for multiple situations. In my opinion, if you have to drop all your gear and swap to completely new stuff (to avoid Heavy Loadout or whatever), then you don't know what your doing in the first place. Just offload a few points from one stat and put it in Endurance.

If your enemy is a mage, there are plenty of anti-magic shields and low requirement magic resistant spells/items you can use to counter that. You don't need to drop your entire armor set or whatever to swap to full magic resist tank or something like that. It just ruins the spirit of the game.

In a "good" RPG, no character build is supposed to be perfect. You shouldn't have be able to counterplay EVERY playstyle. Ideally, you should have a weakness, or we end up with the dumbass metas that we already have.

I don't mind people swapping talismans for their situation (like for flask boosting or low health buffs), but equipment itself should be locked during combat. It's dumb enough that you can 2shot people who have 60%+ negation with 2,000 health, and then call that a fair PvP match.

Skill issue

[Sabaithal]

Wait, was hardswapping where you use a glitch to swap a weapons moveset, or was that the thing where you just have a secondary weapon in one of your slots, and switch to it?

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by csand:

The poster below mine put it better.

End of the the day, if you hardswap, you are admitting you are a low skill scrub. That's about all there is to say

If you are beaten by someone just changing equipment, you admit that you are build dependant and completly unskilled.

Simply practice ways to punish people during swap or drops. Same as punish item consumption. Even if they practice to do it fast, it does take time still.

Good luck. You'll make it.

[desecratedpetals]

Originally posted by Augoeides:

Because it discourages builds, and basically encourages people to stick to the dumbass instant kill metas that plagues this game. I want to root for weapon adaptation and all of that, but that's not how people use it. Some to the point of abuse.

The problem is weapons/setups being broken in the first place. Someone swapping to a strong setup is the same as them starting with it, hardswapping has nothing to do with the actual issue.

Originally posted by Augoeides:

where someone attacked me during the initial unspoken buff period

redditor...

Originally posted by Augoeides:

and hard swapped to Moonveil

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Originally posted by Augoeides:

If your enemy is a mage, there are plenty of anti-magic shields and low requirement magic resistant spells/items you can use to counter that. You don't need to drop your entire armor set or whatever to swap to full magic resist tank or something like that. It just ruins the spirit of the game.

The damage negation talismans do close to nothing, and armor would only make a small difference. If you gave your opponent time and space to use a buff spell or consumable, that's your fault.

[Me? Mushanga]

Frowned upon? By newcomer casuals, maybe.

[JellyPuff]

I think it's kinda dumb, especially for weapons during a duel for the reasons mentioned by Augoeides already.

But at the end of the day, the game is letting people do this, so people will do this. Hate the game, not the player. If FromSoft saw this as an issue at any point during the past 14 years of soulsbornes, they would've limited menuswaps in PvP by now.
And it has it's uses even for duels, like mirroring the opponents weapon tier, to make things more interesting and balanced...until the opponents then menu-swaps too into something better mid-fight, making the whole thing feel like a waste of time. But again, game issue.

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Wait, was hardswapping where you use a glitch to swap a weapons moveset, or was that the thing where you just have a secondary weapon in one of your slots, and switch to it?

Techinically, hardswapping is going all the way through your inventory to change equipment. But maybe in the souls fandom is that bug you mentioned?

[desecratedpetals]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Wait, was hardswapping where you use a glitch to swap a weapons moveset, or was that the thing where you just have a secondary weapon in one of your slots, and switch to it?

Hardswapping just means going in the inventory to change a piece of gear, as opposed to softswapping which is the animation of switching between different equip slots.

[SoundsOfNight]

ppl are salty when they lose