ELDEN RING
The Rune of Death
So, just killed Maliketh, and apparently you don't get his Rune of Death; then why is everyone talking up until that point of getting that Rune, including Maliketh himself. "Why covet Destined Death?"

Every other rune stays intact and you can get it; but the Rune of Death inexplicably says: "No, screw you, I'm peacing out!" and evaporates into nothing. Why? The gloam-eyed Queen wielded it before Maliketh; the black knife assassins could wield pieces of it; and then with me it just magically evaporates into nothing?

Here I am looking forward to equipping the Rune of Death and with that restoring all the black flame incantations and weapons back to their full might as their lore suggests should happen, but nope; out of nowhere the Rune of Death decides to just operate completely differently than all the other runes, and the way it has been operating until now, and just vanish.

Why!?
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Knavenformed:
The developers forgor that the players are most likely Edge, Lords who want to have all the MegaSlayer DeathKillWhatsumacallits so they ended up with going with the more poetic and nuanced fear that comes with introducing the concept of death to immortal beings.

But what gets mixed is Destined Death and the sealed "rule of death"
Destined Death is most likely an Outer God with the Gloam-Eyed Queen being in the role of Marika and the Black Flames being its spreading influence.

No, the Lore is quite clear on this; the Rune of Death / Destined Death was part of the Elden Ring until Marika removed it from there; and clearly granted it to the Dusk-Eyed Queen to start the God Hunt with; likely (demi-)gods from rivals to Queen Marika.

The item-descriptions say that the God-Skin order overstepped their bounds, which probably means they went after Queen Marika's own children or perhaps allied (demi-)gods which prompted her to send Maliketh after the Dusk-Eyed Queen.

What we do with Maliketh is unsealing the rule of death back into the Greater Will so we can naturally kill the Erd-tree out of the way, but even then we cannot kill the Greater Will, just give the reign to another god or re-write the rules of the Order.

The Greater Will is an Outer God you don't ever put anything back in there. You never interact with any Outer God directly. And yes, you come for the Rune of Death in part to to actually kill the Erdtree; and just as you are about to grab the Rune, it says, "Peace out, sucker!" envelops in black flama and vanishes into the ether going against the lore that is established bout it and the other Great Runes.

Maliketh doesn't hold the rune of Death

Yes, he does, he even pulls it out in the form of/part of his black blade; made blatantly obvious in the cut scene, when he says; "Oh, Death, be my blade again."

as you get it through other means,

No, you don't; you don't get it at all. Even the shards of the Rune of Death in the Black Knives you don't get; they remain in the weapons.

but the rule of dying is still sealed and protected by Maliketh.

Why would that be sealed in Maliketh if there is nothing of the Rune of Death in Maliketh? That makes no sense. The rule of dying IS the Rune of Death / Destined Death, and that is what is sealed in Maliketh until he unseals it to use against you.

And Destined Death is not part of the Elden Ring, if it was Melina couldn't promise to bring it to the Lord of the Frenzied Flame after the removal of the influence of the Greater Will.

Destined Death hasn't been part of the Elden Ring since Marika removed it from the Elden Ring; of course in the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending there is no Elden Ring at all, because you burn it all away and not reforge the Elden Ring.

Maliketh was just overall in charge of dealing with death in all forms (Destined, Indiscriminate and life in death) so it all gets mixed together.

Because he wielded the Rune of Death after taking it from corpse of the Dusk-Eyed Queen; this is what establishes that the rune is an object that can be wielded and can be taken from the corpse of its former wielder, just like all the other Great Runes; which it then evaporating into thin air violates.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Kim:
Was marika her mother ? if so , it would make her a demigod , not a god.

That would depend on who her father is; if she has one at all. No father, or a godly father equals Empyrian, that what the Gloam-Eyed Queen was.

and for the last

"I have long observed the Lands Between.
This world is in dire need ofrepair...
and Death...indiscriminate..."

This looks like what Radagon wants , if Marika is Radagon , she want the same things as her mother even if she tells you that she doesnt want to do what her mother asked her to ?

No, Radagon wants to restore the Golden Order to its former glory. Marika wants the Elden Beast dead; that's why she tasked Hewg with forging a god-killing weapon. (Which would be so much easier if he could forge the Rune of Death into/onto a sword; a Rune of Death that inexcplicable evaporates into thing air, just as you are about to pick it up.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από lightningdragon97:
you may be wondering why other demigods or ourselves dont end up in a state as godwyn after dying to weapons of destined death. firstly the difference between godwyn's death and the hundreds of deaths i've endured against Maliketh is because there is no ritual involved when i am taking another black knife dagger through the chest. Ranni knew how to use the rune of death to permanently permanently kill a demigod's soul. secondly, there are hints that Godwyn's body was either corrupted by an Outer God or possessed a unique cancer not unlike most of his demigod siblings.

Uh, no, the reason why you don't die is because you are powered by Grace; you are actually the only one, except maybe Godfrey until the moment you fight him; because the cutscene does show something like grace blinking out of existence when you come across him.

All the other Tarnished lost their Grace, and unlike you those Tarnished gave up on becoming Elden Lord or are following an Outer God, or demi-god. You by contrast are the only one who doesn't, you remain true only to your own goals, and you outright defy every known Outer God's designs, and you're the only one who still has the sight of Grace and gets resurrected by it upon your death immediately.

That rather means the Grace that powers you and powered the other Tarnished is not the same Erdtree Grace that was taken from you; nor does it come from any of the known Outer Gods.

The Grace that powers you and the Lost Graces then are either from unknown even greater Outer God, or more likely considering the Lost Graces seem to far predate the age of the Erdtree considering their positions a more fundamental force in the universe that even the Elden Ring and any of its Great Runes. Considering that all the other Outer Gods seem to be beholden to Destined Death, I'm partial to it being a more fundamental force in the universe.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από lightningdragon97:
you may be wondering why other demigods or ourselves dont end up in a state as godwyn after dying to weapons of destined death. firstly the difference between godwyn's death and the hundreds of deaths i've endured against Maliketh is because there is no ritual involved when i am taking another black knife dagger through the chest. Ranni knew how to use the rune of death to permanently permanently kill a demigod's soul. secondly, there are hints that Godwyn's body was either corrupted by an Outer God or possessed a unique cancer not unlike most of his demigod siblings.

Uh, no, the reason why you don't die is because you are powered by Grace; you are actually the only one, except maybe Godfrey until the moment you fight him; because the cutscene does show something like grace blinking out of existence when you come across him.

All the other Tarnished lost their Grace, and unlike you those Tarnished gave up on becoming Elden Lord or are following an Outer God, or demi-god. You by contrast are the only one who doesn't, you remain true only to your own goals, and you outright defy every known Outer God's designs, and you're the only one who still has the sight of Grace and gets resurrected by it upon your death immediately.

That rather means the Grace that powers you and powered the other Tarnished is not the same Erdtree Grace that was taken from you; nor does it come from any of the known Outer Gods.

The Grace that powers you and the Lost Graces then are either from unknown even greater Outer God, or more likely considering the Lost Graces seem to far predate the age of the Erdtree considering their positions a more fundamental force in the universe that even the Elden Ring and any of its Great Runes. Considering that all the other Outer Gods seem to be beholden to Destined Death, I'm partial to it being a more fundamental force in the universe.
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Kim:
Was marika her mother ? if so , it would make her a demigod , not a god.

That would depend on who her father is; if she has one at all. No father, or a godly father equals Empyrian, that what the Gloam-Eyed Queen was.

and for the last

"I have long observed the Lands Between.
This world is in dire need ofrepair...
and Death...indiscriminate..."

This looks like what Radagon wants , if Marika is Radagon , she want the same things as her mother even if she tells you that she doesnt want to do what her mother asked her to ?

No, Radagon wants to restore the Golden Order to its former glory. Marika wants the Elden Beast dead; that's why she tasked Hewg with forging a god-killing weapon. (Which would be so much easier if he could forge the Rune of Death into/onto a sword; a Rune of Death that inexcplicable evaporates into thing air, just as you are about to pick it up.

From Ranni own words :

"Let us speak of the past, a while.
I was once an Empyrean.
Of the demigods, only I, Miquella, and Malenia could claim that title."

Empyrean = demigods not god ?

As for the Marika/Radagon part : Hence the "IF Marika is radagon"

One can interpret that Marika did something regretfull , thus Radagon was here , trying to undo that particular thing ?

From what i understand , Radagon is supposed to be Marika , and the goal of Melina and Radagon is the same , restoring the Elden Ring with the Golden order in it's original state (Death included).
Miyazaki-san

Bloodborne PC now pls?
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Miyazaki-san

Bloodborne PC now pls?
Not up to Miyazaki. Sony is the one who decides with that one, blame them.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Sabaithal; 27 Ιουν 2022, 18:46
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 3D Master:
and you're the only one who still has the sight of Grace and gets resurrected by it upon your death immediately.
How does Rogier respawn after you see him get Deathblighted and die in the Stormveil catacomb?
I am pretty sure it's cause the rune of death was taken out of the Elden Ring before the shattering.
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 3D Master:
and you're the only one who still has the sight of Grace and gets resurrected by it upon your death immediately.
How does Rogier respawn after you see him get Deathblighted and die in the Stormveil catacomb?
this is something that stumps those trying to peice together lore - how to differentiate gameplay mechanics from lore/story accuracy. some try to the best of their ability, but the explanation may be more simple than it seems.

i don't think Rogier actually died in stormveil and resurrected in the round table hold. i just think the best way to show someone corrupted by death blight under a budget was to use stock animations. otherwise, we would see death blight growing from Rogier's chest rather than his legs.

in fact, i don't think any of the tarnished can resurrect like we can beside's the dung eater (which i just think that was another apparition). i just think that contributes more toward the fromsoft gameplay formula rather than the lore. should every game explain why we can suddenly stop time when we pause the game? no. Does it mean every protagonist in a standard FPS is a time God? also no. however, it is fun to assume as much.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από ArthorPen; 27 Ιουν 2022, 21:07
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 3D Master:
and you're the only one who still has the sight of Grace and gets resurrected by it upon your death immediately.
How does Rogier respawn after you see him get Deathblighted and die in the Stormveil catacomb?
If he respawns, how come he dies permanently the 2nd time?
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Skeleton:
How does Rogier respawn after you see him get Deathblighted and die in the Stormveil catacomb?
If he respawns, how come he dies permanently the 2nd time?
Well you see, whenever someone dies enough times they go holl...wait...
.....
.....ok, I got nothing.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Sabaithal; 27 Ιουν 2022, 21:03
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Revalopod:
If he respawns, how come he dies permanently the 2nd time?
Well you see, whenever someone dies enough times they go holl...wait...
.....
.....ok, I got nothing.
Maybe he had grace so could respawn, and then lost grace?
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Skeleton:
How does Rogier respawn after you see him get Deathblighted and die in the Stormveil catacomb?
If he respawns, how come he dies permanently the 2nd time?
Nanomachines. This was confirmed by Mike Zaki a couple of years ago.
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Sabaithal:
Well you see, whenever someone dies enough times they go holl...wait...
.....
.....ok, I got nothing.
Maybe he had grace so could respawn, and then lost grace?
And what are the conditions for losing grace exactly?

Genuine question, because I don't know. Pretty sure its completely arbitrary.

Also I'm not sure if only the tarnished can respawn, there's very little direct lore explanation regarding that...
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Sabaithal; 27 Ιουν 2022, 21:14
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