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3D Master Jun 26, 2022 @ 4:01pm
The Rune of Death
So, just killed Maliketh, and apparently you don't get his Rune of Death; then why is everyone talking up until that point of getting that Rune, including Maliketh himself. "Why covet Destined Death?"

Every other rune stays intact and you can get it; but the Rune of Death inexplicably says: "No, screw you, I'm peacing out!" and evaporates into nothing. Why? The gloam-eyed Queen wielded it before Maliketh; the black knife assassins could wield pieces of it; and then with me it just magically evaporates into nothing?

Here I am looking forward to equipping the Rune of Death and with that restoring all the black flame incantations and weapons back to their full might as their lore suggests should happen, but nope; out of nowhere the Rune of Death decides to just operate completely differently than all the other runes, and the way it has been operating until now, and just vanish.

Why!?
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CourtesyFlush09 Jun 26, 2022 @ 6:35pm 
Originally posted by frowningmirror:
If you were paying attention, Maliketh doesn't have the rune of death aka destined death anymore. He has some traces of death left in his sword, that's all. Ranni stole the rune of death from him long time ago with Rykards help, she made the black knives that the black knife assassins use, and then she split the rune of death into two halves when both Godwyn and Ranni died at the same time. These became the mark of the centipede.

If you give the other centipede rune you got from Ranni's body to Fia while shes near Godwyn, she can birth a new rune, where those who live in death are accepted (because she has the two halves).
Best answer right here. End of discussion.
darksouls Jun 26, 2022 @ 6:45pm 
NO

HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED


long ago in a distant land,... Aku, shape shifting master of EEEVIIIL

came forth

but a foolished tarnished samurai warrior wielding a unbuffed uchigatana came forth to oppose heeem.

SSCHAAWWWWEEEEEENG


But! Before the final blow was struck-

THE GAME CRASHED

Now Aku lives on in destined death with the rune of malbeth


The end.

stonks daimond handz :praisesun:
Revalopod Jun 26, 2022 @ 7:41pm 
Originally posted by rb303:
as I understand it, unleashing the rune of death is done so that the burning erdtree is finally able to actually die instead of just being immortal and on fire, thus destroying the thorns which prevent you from entering it
oh that makes sense. mighty convenient that after putting the erdtree aflame we're sent to the place where we can finish the process.
Sabaithal Jun 26, 2022 @ 8:27pm 
Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:
Originally posted by Philogosten:

Lol that is not what happened. Melina isnt the gloam eyed queen nor was she ever granted the rune of death, literally none of that is in the game dude. Fanfiction isnt the same as lore.
Yeah, Melina being the Gloam-Eyed Queen was never confirmed. It's a fun theory, though.
If you do the frenzied flame ending with her still alive, it pretty much does confirm it. The most direct evidence you get in FROM software games is that which can be observed directly. Nothing FROM writes is an accident or coincidence.

And if you piece together her backstory, there's no doubt about it.
Last edited by Sabaithal; Jun 26, 2022 @ 8:27pm
Dollmaker Jun 26, 2022 @ 8:48pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:
Yeah, Melina being the Gloam-Eyed Queen was never confirmed. It's a fun theory, though.
If you do the frenzied flame ending with her still alive, it pretty much does confirm it. The most direct evidence you get in FROM software games is that which can be observed directly. Nothing FROM writes is an accident or coincidence.

And if you piece together her backstory, there's no doubt about it.
I mean, her backstory heavily centers around her being daughter of Marika more than anything.

Theres no real evidence outside of that ending, which is vague at best.

And all we got from the Queen was that she lead the Godskins, was Empyrean and got defeated by Maliketh.

So her being the queen is pure speculation at best right now.
Sabaithal Jun 26, 2022 @ 8:51pm 
Originally posted by Dollmaker:
I mean, her backstory heavily centers around her being daughter of Marika more than anything.

Theres no real evidence outside of that ending, which is vague at best.

And all we got from the Queen was that she lead the Godskins, was Empyrean and got defeated by Maliketh.

So her being the queen is pure speculation at best right now.
There's far more evidence than that, but I'm not going to bother because others have already done it much better than I could, and it takes 5 seconds to find on google.

So do that if you really want to know.
Dollmaker Jun 26, 2022 @ 9:00pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Originally posted by Dollmaker:
I mean, her backstory heavily centers around her being daughter of Marika more than anything.

Theres no real evidence outside of that ending, which is vague at best.

And all we got from the Queen was that she lead the Godskins, was Empyrean and got defeated by Maliketh.

So her being the queen is pure speculation at best right now.
There's far more evidence than that, but I'm not going to bother because others have already done it much better than I could, and it takes 5 seconds to find on google.

So do that if you really want to know.
Most of those things like the videos are just speculation as well mate.
Kim Jun 26, 2022 @ 9:29pm 
This one is a headache ...

From Melina own words :

"Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless."

but

"The Erdtree...is close. Only a little further till the foot of the Erdtree, and the accord is fulfilled. It takes me back. I was born at the foot of the Erdtree. Where mother gave me my purpose. Though now, everything is lost to me. I...have to ascertain for myself. The reason for which I live, burned and bodiless."

So was the purpose givin inside the tree or on the foot , she's not sure ...

Then

"There is something I'd like to say. My purpose was given to me by my mother. But now, I act of my own volition.
I have set my heart upon the world that I would have. Regardless of my mother's designs.
I won't allow anyone to speak ill of that. Not even you."

Who would be her mother , we know she is close to the gods/demigods (knowledge of Marika words mostly) but in what way ?

Was marika her mother ? if so , it would make her a demigod , not a god.

and for the last

"I have long observed the Lands Between.
This world is in dire need ofrepair...
and Death...indiscriminate..."

This looks like what Radagon wants , if Marika is Radagon , she want the same things as her mother even if she tells you that she doesnt want to do what her mother asked her to ?
ArthorPen Jun 26, 2022 @ 10:22pm 
seeing a lot of controversy and misconceptions here on this thread. hopefully this speculation clears things up.

we first need to understand how death works in the lands between.

normally, when someone dies in the lands between, their spirit/soul is sent to the power the Erdtree. that is why it is the highest honor for one to be buried near the Erdtree's roots. as long as there is death in the lands between, the Erdtree lives on - but the people did not know this and saw the Erdtree's path of absolution as unconditional, but rather a second life.

you don't need the rune of death to kill a demigod - that is a misunderstanding. after all, how are we able to kill them left and right even though we do not posses the rune? the rune of death was not necessary to kill Godwyn, but it was a necessary tool to enact a ritual that "permanently" killed his soul. the inclusion of rune in the ritual essentially prevented his soul from entering the Erdtree. Merika did not punish Maliketh simply for Godwyn's death, but because Godwyn's soul was denied absolution. the permanent death of his soul was necessary for Ranni's ritual to succeed.

from this, we can conclude that the rune of death is simply preventing death. its more of a conductor for the Erdtree.

when we first burn the erdtree, flame surrounds it but does not turn to ash. this is because the lands between is riddled with enough death and struggle to sustain its power. in order for the Erdtree to truly burn, the rune of death needs to become unbound - or destroyed completely.

that is why it disappears. we destroy it so that the Erdtree can finally burn.

side note:

you may be wondering why other demigods or ourselves dont end up in a state as godwyn after dying to weapons of destined death. firstly the difference between godwyn's death and the hundreds of deaths i've endured against Maliketh is because there is no ritual involved when i am taking another black knife dagger through the chest. Ranni knew how to use the rune of death to permanently permanently kill a demigod's soul. secondly, there are hints that Godwyn's body was either corrupted by an Outer God or possessed a unique cancer not unlike most of his demigod siblings.
Last edited by ArthorPen; Jun 26, 2022 @ 11:08pm
GatoMancer Jun 26, 2022 @ 10:41pm 
Originally posted by Kim:
This one is a headache ...
"I have long observed the Lands Between.
This world is in dire need ofrepair...
and Death...indiscriminate..."

This looks like what Radagon wants , if Marika is Radagon , she want the same things as her mother even if she tells you that she doesnt want to do what her mother asked her to ?

The Lands Between since the shattering have been in a state of flux, death isn't always death, look to the tarnished characters as a good example of that, the only way they "die" is when another tarnished kills them then its permanent.

There are two runes of Death (as mentioned by Enia in Roundtable Hold), one which is Destined Death, and the other is a little a bit more shady on information it, but it had two known fragments or halves: one was used to "kill" Godwyn but it only sent his soul into the afterlife. the Prince of Death Pustule's description says that it (pustule) has the deformed face of the Prince of Death (Godwyn) grown within it as he "lives in death". That face is seen in several spots, one being Godwyns Body which Fia sleeps by in Deeproot Depths (which oddly looks like a really weird giant merman creature) and the other is a dead creature in the basement of Stormveil castle in the space where you fight the root spirit monster. Interesting fact: if you stand on the spot where Godwyns Body is, and flip the map to the above ground section, you'll see that it lands in the outer moat space where you can fight Dung Eater, and all the crabs in that area are covered in the prince of death pustules.

Further the Crone in the Deeproot Depths laments about Godwyn not having a "true death".

The other portion, Ranni used to kill her body but not her spirit, so she could break away from the forced destiny her Fingers emissary tried to press her into. You have to get this fragment and take it to Fia in order to get the Prince of Death mending Rune for that Elden Lord ending option. And Fia even says that she or Godwyn has the other half, she just needed Ranni's piece to complete the rune.

another interesting thing is the Fingers that Ranni kills has her part of the rune etched on it when you find it.

Now, Destined Death was actually sealed within Maliketh, he was the only being normally able to kill the demigods which is why they feared him. Slaying him unsealed the rune and it's power flowed into the lands between, which in my understanding broke much of the immortality beings had come to exist with, which included the Erdtree. This made it so Godlike beings could be killed as their "destined death" was no longer sealed away.
ArthorPen Jun 26, 2022 @ 11:06pm 
Originally posted by GatoMancer:
Originally posted by Kim:
This one is a headache ...
"I have long observed the Lands Between.
This world is in dire need ofrepair...
and Death...indiscriminate..."

This looks like what Radagon wants , if Marika is Radagon , she want the same things as her mother even if she tells you that she doesnt want to do what her mother asked her to ?

The Lands Between since the shattering have been in a state of flux, death isn't always death, look to the tarnished characters as a good example of that, the only way they "die" is when another tarnished kills them then its permanent.

There are two runes of Death (as mentioned by Enia in Roundtable Hold), one which is Destined Death, and the other is a little a bit more shady on information it, but it had two known fragments or halves: one was used to "kill" Godwyn but it only sent his soul into the afterlife.

this is actually wrong. the rune simply goes by two names. it does not mean there there are two different runes.

Enia: "The Rune of Death goes by two names; the other is Destined Death..."

the people of the lands between do this for many reasons - such as a figure of speech when threatening someone or including it in philosophy. i can also guess that it was called the "rune of death" more often after godwyn's demise. regardless, the rune of death and destined death are the same rune.

as far as the game tells us, the entire rune of death was stolen and supposedly recovered by or returned to maliketh later on when the black knifes were hunted down. the rune of death was simply used to "imbue" their weapons with the power of the rune.

exactly what that power is i explained in my first post.
CourtesyFlush09 Jun 26, 2022 @ 11:22pm 
Originally posted by Dollmaker:
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
If you do the frenzied flame ending with her still alive, it pretty much does confirm it. The most direct evidence you get in FROM software games is that which can be observed directly. Nothing FROM writes is an accident or coincidence.

And if you piece together her backstory, there's no doubt about it.
I mean, her backstory heavily centers around her being daughter of Marika more than anything.

Theres no real evidence outside of that ending, which is vague at best.

And all we got from the Queen was that she lead the Godskins, was Empyrean and got defeated by Maliketh.

So her being the queen is pure speculation at best right now.
Not to mention that the GEQ was around before the Age of the Erdtree. Melina states she was born at the foot of the Erdtree. Timelines don't check out.
3D Master Jun 27, 2022 @ 12:48am 
Originally posted by Philogosten:
No, Godwyn never had a rune; Marika only broke the Elden Ring after Godwyn is slain, therefore he never had a shard of the Elden Ring, while he lived it was still intact.

Lol that is not what happened. Melina isnt the gloam eyed queen nor was she ever granted the rune of death, literally none of that is in the game dude. Fanfiction isnt the same as lore.

Yes, she is. The Gloam-Eyed Queen was an Empyrian; and she was granted the Rune of Death by Queen Marika after she removed it from the Elden Ring. Melina tells you her mother resides in the Erdtree; she's a dead Empyrian who roams the land as a Spirit; and when you look at the cinematic for the Frenzied Flame ending where Melina opens her other eye; it has the blue color of dusk.

Who would Queen Marika entrust the Rune of Death to but one of her own? It can't be any of the demi-gods in the mausoleums they are said to be the other demigods killed in the night of Black Knives and in the Shattering War that followed it. The Gloam-Eyed Queen was already dead.

Only Melina fits the bill for the Dusk-Eyed Queen; and those are not even all the clues, go look up some lore-videos around Melina and the Dusk-Eyed Queen, there are other clues that they are one and the same.
Last edited by 3D Master; Jun 27, 2022 @ 11:57pm
3D Master Jun 27, 2022 @ 12:55am 
Originally posted by Philogosten:
Originally posted by Revalopod:
Ok maybe we don't get it in the traditional sense but we free it thus allowing things to die so we can kill the gods?

Rune of death has red/black flames. Godskin incantations are white/black.

Yes, that would be what happened when Maliketh killed the Dusk-Eyed Queen and took the Rune of Death from her. All the Black Flame item descriptions and God-skin item descriptions tell you that Black Flame was once powered by the Rune of Death channeled through the Dusk-Eyed Queen's God-Slaying Greatsword and once helled the power to kill (demi-)gods; and that power went away once she was dead and Maliketh took the rune, making the black flame spells but pale reflections of their former power.

That's why I said that I was looking forward to turning the silver of the Black Flames to red by equiping the Rune of Death as has been done before, and then inexplicaby the Rune of Death decides to break with all the rules established about it and the Great Runes and evaporate into nothing.
3D Master Jun 27, 2022 @ 12:59am 
Originally posted by rb303:
as I understand it, unleashing the rune of death is done so that the burning erdtree is finally able to actually die instead of just being immortal and on fire, thus destroying the thorns which prevent you from entering it

Freeing it from Maliket does that yes; but there's no reason why it needs to evaporate into nothing afterward; being able to wield the Rune as other have done before does not remove the ability for the Tree to die. If really necessary you could always have employed the physical Rune of Death against the Erdtree yourself. There is no reason for it to just vanish into nothing with a display of its black-red flames just as you're about to take it; especially since it goes against what is established bout it and the other Runes in the Lore.
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