What the hell is that giant face corpse under stormveil castle?

[Sabaithal]

The one you can see after fighting the lesser ulcerated tree spirit. Its clearly a giant face, you can see the nose holes, and eyes, or what's left of them, with vertical, almost reptilian looking eyelids.

But then the rest of it seems to just merge into the floor. Its odd, wtf is that?

[Sabaithal]

If this game is a sci-fi dressing up in a fantasy dress, I'm gonna want to see some concrete proof of that before I start going off in that direction.

[vaanomega]

Originally posted by HixBozo:

The weird face the OP is asking about is also example of such alien. I mean it literally looks like an alien. Not of this world. One can only speculate that maybe these aliens were even fighting each other on Earth. We don't know how did this alien die. Or for what. But signs of conflict.
The connection is Rogier, and something with the academy in Liurnia. They are known to engage into interstellar affairs with these beings, or at least trying to explore them. Rennala's locked key opens the gate to direct encounter with such an alien. The academy was already in contact with them, maybe trying to harvest their power in some secret way or some mutual symbiosis. Rennala's locked secret. The boss fight takes place in some kind of dimension not of this world. They have knowledge of this.
And Radagon has knowledge of it being a high ranking magician himself.

I told you I am an alien nerd

https://youtu.be/vhmkUYSyMfE?t=170

It's clearly the same head as the corpse of Godwyn

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

If this game is a sci-fi dressing up in a fantasy dress, I'm gonna want to see some concrete proof of that before I start going off in that direction.

It's not really sci-fi, it's Lovecraftian, so the Outer Gods are "aliens" in the sense they are powerful unknowable beings that live in the void between the stars.

[Kurobon]

Originally posted by Donny Jepp:

Originally posted by Kurobon:

IDK, timing seems to suggest the guy was being opportunistic and just waiting for the Erdtree to burn. That would be on-brand with a lot of the characters in ER.

Maybe I just dont see how he would know he was just a tarnished like us at the end of it .

..side note it was sad to see him return from the death only to see and hold his child Margot that he hasn't seen since the banishment of the omen to the sewer.Poor guy just got shafted from every angle

He was not just a Tarnished, he was THE Tarnished, the first exiled by grace tarnished.
Death for most players is a bit inconsequential in this game. That is why Destined Death is a big deal, because it allows for actual perma death.

[HixBozo]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

If this game is a sci-fi dressing up in a fantasy dress, I'm gonna want to see some concrete proof of that before I start going off in that direction.

How can I give you concrete proof in an entirely fantasy world ? This is not mathematics for me to give you a theorem proof dude. You just have to imagine it.

[Kurobon]

Originally posted by HixBozo:

Someone mentioned the lion on his back. When he was outcast he did not have this lion, some kind of counselor. He must have met the lion somewhere in his exile and after that he changes his mind,likely under the guidance of this counselor. But I know nothing of this lion what it is and the motives.

Maybe the lion lord acted as a maiden?! lol

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by HixBozo:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

If this game is a sci-fi dressing up in a fantasy dress, I'm gonna want to see some concrete proof of that before I start going off in that direction.

How can I give you concrete proof in an entirely fantasy world ? This is not mathematics for me to give you a theorem proof dude. You just have to imagine it.

Because that mindset works exactly for a fantasy. And its heresy to apply it to sci-fi.

So again, proof or it isn't the case.

[Sure, Not]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Originally posted by Sure, Not:

Is it possible that Melina is actually Ranni's body? how can we be sure that buried body in divine tower is actually real one ranni's body? (remenber chaos sister feinted her own corpse in izalith?) she could have feinted it to protect Melina, the empty vessel become filled with something new, Melina. Maybe Melina do think Ranni's Doll is her mother? that could explain why she want to diverge with her mother instruction, probably set her own mind after the separation of ranni's soul from her originated body, I know its very ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and totally imaginary, but those two, Ranni & Melina got thing that connect them. it can't be only a coincidence. the scar on eye, Torrent. Maybe they are sister?
Probably all wrong, but i would glady ear the truth about those 2.

Well for starters Melina tells you that she's just a spirit and doesn't have a body.

and Ranni dolls form disapear like a spirit when she gaves you the wolves spirit ash at the begining, i ain't sure thats revelant in this idea. Let me rewrite it " What if Melina is whats remain of Ranni's souls/spirits after she did seperate from her own body and get fused into a doll ?" Like a sort of forgotten minds, leaving in the process, not intended but still alive.

[HixBozo]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by HixBozo:

How can I give you concrete proof in an entirely fantasy world ? This is not mathematics for me to give you a theorem proof dude. You just have to imagine it.

Because that mindset works exactly for a fantasy. And its heresy to apply it to sci-fi.

So again, proof or it isn't the case.

Wait, you asking me to prove that aliens exist ?

[paladin181]

Originally posted by HixBozo:

Ranni assasinating Godwyn is some kind of dynasty war. Ranni is also daughter of Marika but different father than Godwyn, her father is Radagan, Marika's next husband after she divorce Godfrey

What? Ranni is Renailla's daughter.

[vaanomega]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by HixBozo:

How can I give you concrete proof in an entirely fantasy world ? This is not mathematics for me to give you a theorem proof dude. You just have to imagine it.

Because that mindset works exactly for a fantasy. And its heresy to apply it to sci-fi.

So again, proof or it isn't the case.

Have you heard of the Science Fantasy sub-genre
if i had to name a game i felt like it was a Science Fantasy game, but with only a Fantsay feel if you don't larn the lore, it would be Piliar of Eternity, if i remember correctly, the god were created by the ancien civilisation, this civilisation was highly advanced in term of technology, and the only thing left from them are ruins and a type of magic, the Animancy, while searching into the ruins, we found a not saying that the gods were created by the ancien civilisation, by fusing the spirits of thousands of their people into gods

So, i don't see why Elden Ring couldn't have a bit of Sci-fi in a Fantasy world

PS: In many mythology, gods are beyond imaginations, in our world, what we call aliens are just non humans from space, you easily create a fantasy world were the gods came from the stars

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by vaanomega:

Have you heard of the Science Fantasy sub-genre
if i had to name a game i felt like it was a Science Fantasy game, but with only a Fantsay feel if you don't larn the lore, it would be Piliar of Eternity, if i remember correctly, the god were created by the ancien civilisation, this civilisation was highly advanced in term of technology, and the only thing left from them are ruins and a type of magic, the Animancy, while searching into the ruins, we found a not saying that the gods were created by the ancien civilisation, by fusing the spirits of thousands of their people into gods

So, i don't see why Elden Ring couldn't have a bit of Sci-fi in a Fantasy world

If the lore gives you concrete proof, but still decides to wear the fantasy dress, I got no problem with that. I'm very familiar with the sub genre actually, one of my favorite book series is exactly that.

The problem with Elden Ring in that regard is the problem with all FROMsoft souls games: Everything is either metaphorical, symbolic, extremely vague, or outright illusion. If you can't trust what you can see as "concrete" which you very much can't with these games, then how are you supposed to make it sci-fi, which as the first part of that implies, needs some sort of concrete proof?

Because if you don't have any evidence, its not science, even if its fiction.

[Kurobon]

Originally posted by melfice181paladin181:

Originally posted by HixBozo:

Ranni assasinating Godwyn is some kind of dynasty war. Ranni is also daughter of Marika but different father than Godwyn, her father is Radagan, Marika's next husband after she divorce Godfrey

What? Ranni is Renailla's daughter.

Renalla and Radagon, but Radagon is the male aspect of Marika; they are one and the same, so Ranni is the daughter of Marika.

[Mepho]

Originally posted by I-Chi:

These are Melina's dialogue in-game:
"In Marika's own words. My Lord, and thy warriors. I divest each of thee of thy grace.
With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die."

"In Marika's own words.
Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed.
Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring.
Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey."

My interpretation is that Godfrey's exile was not meant to be permanent.

Wait a sec, Marika's supposed to have removed Destined Death from the Elden Ring, thus making everyone immortal through rebirth via the Erdtree, if I got it right.

So sending the tarnished away from the Lands (which I'm assuming are the only ones under the yoke of the Elden Ring) to die wouldn't mean a real death for them? They are divested of grace and in another land, so they should have no connection to the Lands and the Ring, meaning they can actually die over there, no?

So then even if they do come back somehow, wouldn't they be of Those Who Walk in Death (or whatever they name the undead)?
Are Tarnished supposed to be a form of Those blabla and thus supposed to go the "Fia route" and mend the Ring?

It would fit with her having regrets after shattering the Ring and Radagon's will to repair it, but Tarnished don't seem to have any relation to Those who blabla in game.

Originally posted by One Drak:

[...]
If Marika and Radagon were one from the beginning then I don't think they shared the same mind, because Marika hated Rennala but Radagon fell in love with her, supposedly.

Seems to me they're meant to be two sides of the same coin, so in a way diametrically opposite to one another.
Gender, character and behaviour (she shatters, he repairs, she doubts the greater will, he's a fundamentalist, Rennala).

[Sabaithal]

I have to wonder how much of the exposition we've been told, or led to believe, by ingame characters is actually true or not. It really does feel like the tarnished are being led to intentional dead ends by almost everyone, doesn't it?

And what makes them "tarnished' in the first place? Almost sounds similar to "the dishonored" or perhaps "bastard children" maybe?

Though not all tarnished even come from this land. Its implied the samurai origin comes from a completely foreign place...are we sure the writing in this game isn't just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up?