Getting the best ending

[Atech]

Wondering if you can get "good ending" while avoiding Melina dying by interacting with three fingers but getting redemption with the Millicents needle. This way you can avoid Melina dying? but still get the good ending? Is there more from Melina other than her just wanting to kill the player if you redeem yourself with the needle?

[Panic Fire]

Origineel geplaatst door Tiasmoon:

Origineel geplaatst door Juno Brier:

You also kinda go crazy and burn everything.

But it also has sexy version of Melina. :Tio:

Origineel geplaatst door Metrod125:

You can do the three fingers route and nope out with the child-lordling's magic drug needle to purge the flame of frenzy, but the game won't give you an award in acknowledgement of going through that hardship to get there.

Mel will hate your guts regardless and the only thing you can take as gratification is the bittersweet knowledge that she's not dead but still hates you.

Actually, she plain never appears again in that case. No indication of her hating you, because you dont see her again. Seems more like Fromsoft being sloppy on the resolution of the endings.

She seems to have Boss AI left over in the game and likely had a post endgame boss fight for the lord of flames ending.

[Tiasmoon]

You can summon her to help fight against Morgott at the elden tree.

[GONDAL]

Origineel geplaatst door MrFox1231:

There is no ending more pure than to burn everything to the ground.

You could argue the frenzied flame ending is the good ending. The Land Between has been plagued by time and time again by the dramas of Marika, the Erdtree, and moon, and the outer gods. By burning everything to the ground, you are giving life the chance to rise from the ashes free from the petty influences that sent the land into a state of eternal tortue and suffering.

Stupid politics between misaligned gods should not condemn tens of thousands to hell-on-earth. What a tragedy that has to happen to such a beautiful land.

The flame ending is the only way to make it right and keep it right.

[Qau'lthir]

Oh dear. Another dogged Ranni fanboy. Welcome, Tarnished. Purloiner of sex dolls. Mind you, replacing one god for another interests me none. The seedbed curse, the legacy of the Elden Lord... let it all melt back into nothing.

You've done quite enough. Now have your rest.

[Myrmuz [IRL]]

Mark my words Tarnished, you will remain among the simps.

[Lunar Shower]

Origineel geplaatst door Drukaris:

Origineel geplaatst door Ashtrails:

She apparantly takes the new order with her on her uncertain journey, yet leaves life and souls conencted to the land, without the influence of the new order / god touching them, as was the case before and would be the case with the other endings.

thats a pretty benevolent interpretation (possible tho)
you could also say "the beginning of the age of starts" hints to the fact that the life of commoner xyz has now lost any meaning
no order no nothing to guide the souls and spirits only the emptiness and void of space

In truth? None of the endings are good. The Greater Will certainly doesn't have the best intentions for those all living, being cursed certainly isn't good, bringing about the age of dusk and letting undeath reign certainly isn't good, leaving things just as broken as when you started nearly isn't good, and burning everything down and ending life is far from good. All in all, there is NO proper good ending, the only two that are even arguably so depending on how you view things, and interpret them is easily Rannis and Goldmasks, but both carry with them potential flaws. Realistically, its the same debate you got in Dark Souls of linking the flame, or of letting it fade, one brings great uncertainty, while the other maintains the status quo, and your own interpretations and life experiences are likely to dictate which feels more "good" to you.

Though, for that matter, I do think Ranni's is the one with best intentions, attempting to free those who live on whatever planet we do in the game from the yoke and overall guidance of any gods or greater beings.

[Juno Brier]

Anyway Gold Mask gave me a funny T-pose gesture so I went with his ending on first playthrough.

[Franz]

Origineel geplaatst door Lunar Shower:

Though, for that matter, I do think Ranni's is the one with best intentions, attempting to free those who live on whatever planet we do in the game from the yoke and overall guidance of any gods or greater beings.

I don't think she wants to free others, I think she wants only to free herself. Others are to her a means to an end: if it helps her she will sacrifice Iji and Blaidd who love her, if it helps she will enlist Seluvis, a literal puppeteer, if it helps she will "marry" a random dude who happens to be the strongest MF around, one who could be Lord but instead will pave the way for her and kneel before her if you pick her ending. She needed to free herself of her body so she schemed to murder a demigod, condemning him to the agony of being a soulless body and creating the living dead as a small side effect.

She is a reflection of the Frenzied Flame: the world is corrupt and there is no redeeming it, but instead of burning it to the ground we can just abandon it to the eternal night. If you are smart enough, and if it doesn't interfere with her plan, you might be so lucky as to follow her while she does her thing.

[Tiasmoon]

Origineel geplaatst door AzureDreams:

The flame ending is the only way to make it right and keep it right.

Frenzied Flame ending summons actual hell on earth. Seems like you dont understand the lore or endings very well. You didnt see that outer god appearing in the sky?

[TyresTyco]

Origineel geplaatst door Tiasmoon:

Origineel geplaatst door AzureDreams:

The flame ending is the only way to make it right and keep it right.

Frenzied Flame ending summons actual hell on earth. Seems like you dont understand the lore or endings very well. You didnt see that outer god appearing in the sky?

Well.. lets see it from a different perspective. The whole playthrough you encounter ♥♥♥♥ that want to kill you at every corner. Every nice npc dies at some point.. nothing really left at the end. Do you wanna rule over that ? With the golden order ? Rule over some infected dirt and monsters that wanted to kill you ?

The answer to such a dead, loveless world.. only can be chaos.

Also Melina will be able to deliver us what is ours. That alone should be good ending enough.

[Livy]

Origineel geplaatst door Tiasmoon:

Frenzied Flame ending summons actual hell on earth.

Good!

[Naewyng]

Origineel geplaatst door Drukaris:

Origineel geplaatst door Grad:

Thematically the 'good ending' is Rannis.
Dunno if there is any change with the normal end by purging the frenzied flame.

why do you think rannis ending is "the good ending"?

From my understanding she basically wants to remove godly influence from the world and let the people live their own lives.

[Drukaris]

Origineel geplaatst door Naewyng:

Origineel geplaatst door Drukaris:

why do you think rannis ending is "the good ending"?

From my understanding she basically wants to remove godly influence from the world and let the people live their own lives.

yeah but what does that really mean?

the world you experience in elden ring is already pretty far removed from godly influence due to the stattering
people are mad or souless husks without purpose because their connection to god has been severed and none of the demigods could establish a new one

ranni has no interest in that either and announces an age of fear, loneliness and darkness - and she is doing that to prevent the possiblity that someone as powerful as her new lord (you) could rise again, challenge her and disturb her pursuit of the stars
and who knows what happens if she finds what she is looking for

anyway what it comes down to for the lands between etc is a world without light

have you ever tried to do anything in complete darkness? pretty damn hard
and lets not even talk about how light is often a metaphor for life itself

[Naewyng]

Origineel geplaatst door Drukaris:

Origineel geplaatst door Naewyng:

From my understanding she basically wants to remove godly influence from the world and let the people live their own lives.

yeah but what does that really mean?

the world you experience in elden ring is already pretty far removed from godly influence due to the stattering
people are mad or souless husks without purpose because their connection to god has been severed and none of the demigods could establish a new one

ranni has no interest in that either and announces an age of fear, loneliness and darkness - and she is doing that to prevent the possiblity that someone as powerful as her new lord (you) could rise again, challenge her and disturb her pursuit of the stars
and who knows what happens if she finds what she is looking for

anyway what it comes down to for the lands between etc is a world without light

have you ever tried to do anything in complete darkness? pretty damn hard
and lets not even talk about how light is often a metaphor for life itself

Well the shattering happened because the gods were all greedy f*cks, so without them there won't be such devastating wars in the future (sure there will still be wars because... humans).

[Drukaris]

Origineel geplaatst door Naewyng:

Origineel geplaatst door Drukaris:

yeah but what does that really mean?

the world you experience in elden ring is already pretty far removed from godly influence due to the stattering
people are mad or souless husks without purpose because their connection to god has been severed and none of the demigods could establish a new one

ranni has no interest in that either and announces an age of fear, loneliness and darkness - and she is doing that to prevent the possiblity that someone as powerful as her new lord (you) could rise again, challenge her and disturb her pursuit of the stars
and who knows what happens if she finds what she is looking for

anyway what it comes down to for the lands between etc is a world without light

have you ever tried to do anything in complete darkness? pretty damn hard
and lets not even talk about how light is often a metaphor for life itself

Well the shattering happened because the gods were all greedy f*cks, so without them there won't be such devastating wars in the future (sure there will still be wars because... humans).

the shattering (of the elden ring) happend because marika didnt wanna be controlled by the elden beast anymore - the war of the shattering is just a consequence