Diablo IV and Path of Exile 2

[CaleoGaming]

They be sweatting, the king is here and he is coming to claim his throne

[Nerdkartoffl]

引用自 madwasp777：

Titan Quest 2 > Diablo 4 > PoE 2 > PoE1

TQ2 King among ARPGS! Keep up da good work! :)

Fangirling a sequel, that isn't made from the original devs, with no real gameplay trailer is mildly retarded. I hope you know that.

[panzertek CS-BL.com]

引用自 jonoliveira12：

PoE2 will still trump this. D4 is dead in the water, though.

I'd have believed that in 2019 but Chris's vision and Tencent Dao is has changed it

[jonoliveira12]

引用自 panzertek CS-BL.com：

引用自 jonoliveira12：

PoE2 will still trump this. D4 is dead in the water, though.

I'd have believed that in 2019 but Chris's vision and Tencent Dao is has changed it

Have yu seen this year's reveals of mechanics, classes, gear...?
PoE2 will leave even PoE1 in the dust, if they deliver even just a quarter of what they have shown.

[riddLedSKL]

Diablo 4 is not an aRPG game. It is like a cheap MMO game... like Lost Ark.

[Sgt_Tenor]

The best part of titan quest for me was combining 2 Masteries together and finding a way to make those work. Plus the mythological aspect as well. I've been recently playing POE after POE2 announcement and have been blown away by it over D4. The build variety is off the charts in POE. Sure POE has been around for more than 10 years but for now has surpassed the Diablo series in my eyes. D2 was my favorite. D3 I enjoyed the new classes(Monk, Crusader, Witch Doctor) but that's about it. D4 has a bit better combat but the skill cool-downs have got to go.

[G0ll0]

引用自 walentaz：

Diablo 4 is not in great state for endgame. Lacks in endgame activity variety, season 1 at least is crap, loot is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boring snooze fiesta - nothing exciting ever drops and mechanics is trash - freaking vulnerable crap, bunch of conditional crap boring ass modifiers, etc, etc.

PoE 2 for plebs is 2025, because don't expect closed beta to last as little as few months. So in 2 years if we're lucky.

Thing is - we also know nothing about this one, aside of having nice graphics, but nice graphics don't automatically make game good - proof? Diablo 4. It still can have bad mechanics and bad loot just like D4 - so I would be optimistically skeptical, lol.

Season? I don't understand why they are releasing seasons in a arpg, this MOBA thing is ruining gaming

[Fearlesscaper]

引用自 Niko：

TQ was always more casual
PoE is the tryhard option (most fun imo)
D4 is a joke.

POE is boring . D4 is boring outside the campaign . Diablo 3 is still the best. No para limits.

[CaleoGaming]

引用自 FearlessCaper：

引用自 Niko：

TQ was always more casual
PoE is the tryhard option (most fun imo)
D4 is a joke.

POE is boring . D4 is boring outside the campaign . Diablo 3 is still the best. No para limits.

This.

[cherkashinmaximxxx]

I'm waiting nothing good from this game. Developers who never made action RPG games cannot make a real Titan Quest 2. It will be a new Spellforce 4 in Greek atmoshere shell

[Primm Slim]

引用自 jonoliveira12：

引用自 Sentinel 08295：

PoE 2 is still 12 months out from release and if they make it another trade simulator they won't stand a chance.

TQ2 > TQ1 > D2 > TL > D3 > All other indie ARPGs > PoE > D4

PoE2 was announced to have Gold as currency, already.

The devs confirmed that gold is only used to purchase basic items from town vendors, and to gamble. It won't be used as a currency for trading between players, it will still be an item/barter economy.

[Mivo]

引用自 cherkashinmaximxxx：

I'm waiting nothing good from this game. Developers who never made action RPG games cannot make a real Titan Quest 2. It will be a new Spellforce 4 in Greek atmoshere shell

Well, the original creators of Titan Quest hadn't made a proper ARPG before they made TQ, either. Brian Sullivan, the main designer, was known for his work on the Age of Empires series that he had been involved with for years. As far as I know TQ had been the first ARPG he worked on.

[cherkashinmaximxxx]

引用自 Mivo：

引用自 cherkashinmaximxxx：

I'm waiting nothing good from this game. Developers who never made action RPG games cannot make a real Titan Quest 2. It will be a new Spellforce 4 in Greek atmoshere shell

Well, the original creators of Titan Quest hadn't made a proper ARPG before they made TQ, either. Brian Sullivan, the main designer, was known for his work on the Age of Empires series that he had been involved with for years. As far as I know TQ had been the first ARPG he worked on.

The original developers of Titan Quest was the company Iron Lore Entertainment with their founders - Brian Sullivan & Paul Chieffo. That time staff of the company was 39 employees and we know absolutely nothing about these 39 workers. Maybe some of them had experienece in action RPG games... I dare say now we know for sure that at least some of them had some practice in action RPG games because it is impossible to create a true action RPG game in compliance with all canons without having any experience in this genre.
But now we know for sure that the staff of the company Grimlore Games had absolutely no experience in creation of action RPG games. All they did from the moment of their foundation is series of Spellforce. But this is quite another genre.
That's why we cannot expect real Titan Quest 2. The best we can expect is a hybrid of these two games

[MedeaFleecestealer]

引用自 cherkashinmaximxxx：

引用自 Mivo：

Well, the original creators of Titan Quest hadn't made a proper ARPG before they made TQ, either. Brian Sullivan, the main designer, was known for his work on the Age of Empires series that he had been involved with for years. As far as I know TQ had been the first ARPG he worked on.

The original developers of Titan Quest was the company Iron Lore Entertainment with their founders - Brian Sullivan & Paul Chieffo. That time staff of the company was 39 employees and we know absolutely nothing about these 39 workers. Maybe some of them had experienece in action RPG games... I dare say now we know for sure that at least some of them had some practice in action RPG games because it is impossible to create a true action RPG game in compliance with all canons without having any experience in this genre.
But now we know for sure that the staff of the company Grimlore Games had absolutely no experience in creation of action RPG games. All they did from the moment of their foundation is series of Spellforce. But this is quite another genre.
That's why we cannot expect real Titan Quest 2. The best we can expect is a hybrid of these two games

And I will counter with this from Medierra - Lead Game Designer at Iron Lore on TQ/IT.

"The idea that a developer who made ARPGs can only make ARPGs is a very publisher-like sentiment. We ran into this very scepticism when we pitched Titan Quest and the problem then was - we were known as RTS designers. Yep, at Iron Lore, Brian Sullivan and myself only had experience on RTS and publishers weren't sure we could manage to make a successful ARPG."

https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/2259062250949121088/?tscn=1590379155

So no, just because Grimlore haven't made an ARPG doesn't mean they can't do it and do it well.

[SabreWulf]

引用自 madwasp777：

Titan Quest 2 > Diablo 4 > PoE 2 > PoE1

TQ2 King among ARPGS! Keep up da good work! :)

So you’ve played TQ 2 have you ???

[cherkashinmaximxxx]

引用自 MedeaFleecestealer：

引用自 cherkashinmaximxxx：

The original developers of Titan Quest was the company Iron Lore Entertainment with their founders - Brian Sullivan & Paul Chieffo. That time staff of the company was 39 employees and we know absolutely nothing about these 39 workers. Maybe some of them had experienece in action RPG games... I dare say now we know for sure that at least some of them had some practice in action RPG games because it is impossible to create a true action RPG game in compliance with all canons without having any experience in this genre.
But now we know for sure that the staff of the company Grimlore Games had absolutely no experience in creation of action RPG games. All they did from the moment of their foundation is series of Spellforce. But this is quite another genre.
That's why we cannot expect real Titan Quest 2. The best we can expect is a hybrid of these two games

And I will counter with this from Medierra - Lead Game Designer at Iron Lore on TQ/IT.

"The idea that a developer who made ARPGs can only make ARPGs is a very publisher-like sentiment. We ran into this very scepticism when we pitched Titan Quest and the problem then was - we were known as RTS designers. Yep, at Iron Lore, Brian Sullivan and myself only had experience on RTS and publishers weren't sure we could manage to make a successful ARPG."

https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/2259062250949121088/?tscn=1590379155

So no, just because Grimlore haven't made an ARPG doesn't mean they can't do it and do it well.

I really wish I were mistaken. Let it be! I wish you were absolutely right.
But what we see during all the history of game industry: when a legendary game a masterpiece that had millions and millions of fans had a sequel made by absolutely another studio, the gamers had totally great disappointment. For example Sacred 3... It was a fiasco - the greatest failure ever. Gothic 4 Arcania... the same situation - just a big piece of ♥♥♥♥♥...etc
Can anyone show me a case in all the history of computer games when a sequel of a legendary game made by absolutely another studio was really successful? Never! They ALL were a great fiasco!