Lotus feedback

[-=MM=-Savage]

The Lotus seems to be required in too many incantations. Right now I could make all my available incantations, arcana upgrades, and aspect unlocks with 1 more Z.Sand, 2more G.Apples, 1 more poppy, 1 mandrake, and 14 Lotuses.

AND Lotus is the only one of those that is also required for a repeating recipe that is essentially mandatory, as the only current source of familiar upgrades.

spreading those costs across some less used materials, or increasing lotus spawns would seriously help.

[MeeKey]

I agree on increasing the Lotus spawn (such as grabbing two per plant in Oceanus) or having it available at the Broker.

[Rain]

Lotus being available at the broker would be amazing, even if it takes a lo of them to unlock it and is expensive to buy.
Or it could be something that can be ordered with loyalty cards, again that would cost time but its a way to make some sort of progress if the plant just doesn't spawn in the area

[Songbird]

There is definitely a very lopsided requirement for tons of lotuses and very few of the flowers from the Fields of Mourning right now.

[captkonan]

I made 3 runs solely for the Lotus, and found no Lotus... They should definitely make it available for buying, or spawn it like weed (at least at a certain point).

[starrybun]

+1

[Neo NiGHTS ®]

It's just an RNG and thing.

For example it already happened to me to find TWO lotuses at Narcissus chamber.
(there's almost always at least one lotus there BTW)

[Pauma del Sol]

I hope they revisit this and change up requirements, when there was only the underworld run, it made some sense. I think it's also though that maybe some plants should be able to spawn in multiple areas, or they should become more common, because I also don't want Mel's theme of witchdom to go to waste bc we're working with metals and other rare artifacts. The flavor is good, we just need to adjust the numbers

[Rhea]

It would be nice if you could use the Trials of Chaos in the pitch black stone to farm for resources like lotuses et. al. I thought for sure that poppies were a surface plant because I didn't dig up any poppy seeds for the longest time. I think I'm at a 2/7 success rate for getting poppies, and the lotus situation seems just as, if not more dire. (And I jumped in after the Warsong update here where they supposedly increased the spawn rates?)

I dunno, maybe that would fast track things too much, but the current drop rates in the regular run are just so stingy, it's kinda frustrating and feels a bit like my progress is being artificially throttled? Even if the Chaos trials ended up having a reduced spawn rate compared to the main run, I think that would help the feeling of frustration. Miles better than getting 30-45 minutes into a run only to realize I didn't get Lotus, or poppy, or driftwood, shadeseed, etc....

[The Sojourner]

I suspect that Supergiant as of now is trying to get us to use Gale to increase the spawn chance of all these hand-harvested items. Problem is, a lot of early progression-type incantations rely on hand-harvested materials — especially Lotus — and now that flower is rarer than before! This is a problem since it's also needed in abundance to make the Beast-loved Morsels. Either that recipe needs a rework, or Lotus flowers need to be made more abundant. Another alternative would to be to expedite/rework the process of how Familiars are obtained — it's most beneficial to get Hecuba and Gale earlier than Toula, simply for the resource chances.

On a related note: been having a little trouble finding the required Plasma to unlock the Aspect of Nyx, despite taking Raki with me multiple times. Either it is truly bad RNG or something's going on with the revised resource spawn chances.

[Neo NiGHTS ®]

Originally posted by The Sojourner:

I suspect that Supergiant as of now is trying to get us to use Gale to increase the spawn chance of all these hand-harvested items. Problem is, a lot of early progression-type incantations rely on hand-harvested materials — especially Lotus — and now that flower is rarer than before! This is a problem since it's also needed in abundance to make the Beast-loved Morsels. Either that recipe needs a rework, or Lotus flowers need to be made more abundant. Another alternative would to be to expedite/rework the process of how Familiars are obtained — it's most beneficial to get Hecuba and Gale earlier than Toula, simply for the resource chances.

On a related note: been having a little trouble finding the required Plasma to unlock the Aspect of Nyx, despite taking Raki with me multiple times. Either it is truly bad RNG or something's going on with the revised resource spawn chances.

I still think that the random algorithm for the game is really really bad.

While some people can't find Lotus, I can easily get, two, three, four per run.

Since the removal of the tools, I've been finding WAY more shades to appease than before. While I can make full runs without finding a single fish.
(not that I need them, but to give an example)

Not to mention some other annoyances like not finding a single healing item when you are close to die and things like that.

Oh yeah, that colorful stone you find at Chaos is indeed rare. Although, for me, not as rare as his Legendary boon, for example.

[beebidon]

Agreeing here. It's the only reason I've been doing underworld runs lately, those damn lotus flowers. I think if they weren't required for familiar treats it wouldn't be AS bad.