Daemons of Chaos are good/fun to play?

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Are Daemons of Chaos good or fun to play? I heard an opinion that Warriors of Chaos and mono god Chaos runs are all better than daemons of chaos.

Also how is Norsca stack in terms of being good/fun to play against other Chaos factions?

[KeiranG19]

Daniel is a bit of a weird campaign.

He has the largest roster of units but basically no techs to buff them, so his demons are weaker than the monogods and his mortals are weaker than the WoC.

I also think his IE start isn't very fun.

[Cyiel]

Fun is subjective.

Good on the other, they have access to the roster based on their "alignement". If you go with Chaos Undivided you will have the full roster but if you go with a dedicated playtrough then you can also have some good parts for your LL (if you go for Tzeentch be sure to do the Mirror of Madness mode first). That said, they have a few caveats, the LL skill tree is not really great to begin with, Tzeentch line for the "Tech tree" has more to offer than the 3 others, his Lords of Change/Great Unclean Ones/Keeper of Secrets are not great because they can't get more binding spells (which is a shame and not a good shame) and like Keiran said you can't really buff your units trough a "Tech tree" and "Skill tree" (but you can use more unusual style of army by mixing demons).

[jackhickman999]

Is he good? Nah he's bad. Bad start, bad eco, and weak lord. Fun I wouldn't cool him fun. Possibly one of the worst campaigns I've ever played.

[Cyiel]

Originally posted by jackhickman999:

Is he good? Nah he's bad. Bad start, bad eco, and weak lord. Fun I wouldn't cool him fun. Possibly one of the worst campaigns I've ever played.

Matter of taste, i still like him far more than The Changeling (for me it's the worse) or Khorne type characters (Valkia or Skarbrand).

[KeiranG19]

His RoC start is much better IMO. Has more directions to go and weaker factions to beat up.

IE starts with strong legendary lords on either side only a few provinces away that you might not have ramped up enough to face yet before being stuck with nowhere else easy to expand to.

[Father Ribs]

Daniel can be fun if you get bored and want to change up your lord from tank to buzzsaw to caster without losing any time respeccing. Province management is a bit more complex than all the other factions because choosing what god to dedicate each settlement .

You can spec him into diplomacy quickly and make all the other chaos factions ignore you while you pound on all the mortal factions which gives your home province plenty of time to get developed without much risk.

Once you cross the rubicon of choosing a patron (or "none"), you can amass some major buffs and gear...though don't beeline for one god; fill up the meter for every one because once you choose you can't gain favor with anyone except your patron.

Dedicating battles to different gods also gives different benefits. Once you declare a god, you lose the benefits to all other options, so for me, since I chose Nurgle, I couldn't get gold by selling prisoners anymore.

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As for Norsca...they're in a weird place. They are a hell of a lot better than in WH1, but they are (mostly) lightly armored so they don't stand up in a fight, they have a lot of missile troops that are good versus large and armor, but they are outranged by everyone except skinks. I find they're fun but a bit more challenging than many factions.

[Ashley]

Originally posted by KeiranG19:

Daniel is a bit of a weird campaign.

He has the largest roster of units but basically no techs to buff them, so his demons are weaker than the monogods and his mortals are weaker than the WoC.

I also think his IE start isn't very fun.

Glory has "hidden" basic techs in it that will absolutely buff your units if you get the required favor. It's not just "lul new parts for lord" deal that people make it out to be. I wouldn't even say it's hidden

[KeiranG19]

Originally posted by Ashley:

Originally posted by KeiranG19:

Daniel is a bit of a weird campaign.

He has the largest roster of units but basically no techs to buff them, so his demons are weaker than the monogods and his mortals are weaker than the WoC.

I also think his IE start isn't very fun.

Glory has "hidden" basic techs in it that will absolutely buff your units if you get the required favor. It's not just "lul new parts for lord" deal that people make it out to be. I wouldn't even say it's hidden

Not as potent as the dedicated tech trees though.

Daniel can buff the stats of his units while the monogod factions can give their greater demons bound versions all of the spells in their lore.

A great unclean one that can heal itself and do magic damage for no winds cost is much better than one with slightly higher stats.

[titanopteryx]

He gets access to all the monogod lords. So he can have the upgraded versions of those monogod lords. Getting them to level 15 then opting to trade the lords for upgraded versions. So collecting powerful lords can be fun.

[Dinoman]

A start position mod is practically required to play the Daemon Prince in Immortal Empires. He starts next to one of the most overpowered early game legendary lords and is all but guaranteed to be at war with him by turn twenty, not to mention Throgg and Boris.

[jackhickman999]

Originally posted by Cyiel:

Originally posted by jackhickman999:

Is he good? Nah he's bad. Bad start, bad eco, and weak lord. Fun I wouldn't cool him fun. Possibly one of the worst campaigns I've ever played.

Matter of taste, i still like him far more than The Changeling (for me it's the worse) or Khorne type characters (Valkia or Skarbrand).

The changeling is a cool concept but in practice he's just overpowered. I wouldn't play him again. That said I won't play the build a demon again either. I would sooner play the changeling again. At least the changeling is completely overpowered. I would rather be overpowered than have to play a low eco faction with a bad lord.

[Reaver79]

He's an special kinda taste.. A few mods can make up for some of his obvious problems, like being unable to beat a caster in melee..
But vanilla.. He's kinda meh..

[Foolswalkin]

I think he's an interesting idea to map out a new Lord style that was abandoned by CA. Last I checked, Be'lakor ran circles around him as a Chaos JOAT.

[Tr4cker0]

Originally posted by jackhickman999:

Is he good? Nah he's bad. Bad start, bad eco, and weak lord. Fun I wouldn't cool him fun. Possibly one of the worst campaigns I've ever played.

As most factions if not argbly all are ez to play, i've persnly enjoyed him because you have not so much OP mecanic or eco (i don't use Tzentch tp as i consider it as cheat; beside it his perma plague is good but not as op as waaagh or stalk attack etc...).
If you pref factions with a lot of customization but not straight op army/income buffs it can be yours.

[jackhickman999]

Originally posted by Tr4cker0:

Originally posted by jackhickman999:

Is he good? Nah he's bad. Bad start, bad eco, and weak lord. Fun I wouldn't cool him fun. Possibly one of the worst campaigns I've ever played.

As most factions if not argbly all are ez to play, i've persnly enjoyed him because you have not so much OP mecanic or eco (i don't use Tzentch tp as i consider it as cheat; beside it his perma plague is good but not as op as waaagh or stalk attack etc...).
If you pref factions with a lot of customization but not straight op army/income buffs it can be yours.

All his gear is crap though. The rewards for the trials are all basically bad. They're redoing all the game 3 factions eco because it's all so small. Not being able to afford armies is boring. The whole game is about building your eco, building armies and having tactical battles. Even with supply lines being so much better at higher difficulties it's a chore to play him.

Edit: I had way more fun playing nurgle that's how bad he is in my opinion. The bad eco and awful rate of generating units was better than that.