Which faction is Ottomans?

[Sarpistic]

amongs the playables, which ones present Ottomans or Huns?

[Alar]

There ain't no ottomans in this one. Huns would be the general steppe nomad types in the form of eastern goblins, hobgoblins and ogres.

[JustSmile]

Messaggio originale di Darklight:

Huns would be Kislev.

Kislev are Slavs, not Huns lmao.

[Darklight]

Messaggio originale di JustSmile:

]Kislev are Slavs, not Huns lmao.

I don't recall stating Kislev weren't Eastern European.

Messaggio originale di Darklight:

It's hard to link any race to a real-life counterpart, I can see a case for Ogres, you could make a case for the Warriors of Chaos as well. Kislev makes more sense to me.

Kislev is heavily inspired on Eastern Europe which includes the portions of Eastern Europe that were steppe nomads that had similar traditions. The Huns when they invaded Europe had a lot of control/influence over Eastern Europe.

[JustSmile]

That is not what the topic asked or what you said. You said "Huns would be Kislev", which is strictly false. Huns are were a people who did not provide the inspiration for Kislev's design, even if they had conquered parts of Eastern Europe. That comes strictly from Slavic folklore and tradition.

[Darklight]

Messaggio originale di JustSmile:

That is not what the topic asked or what you said. You said "Huns would be Kislev", which is strictly false. Huns are were a people who did not provide the inspiration for Kislev's design, even if they had conquered parts of Eastern Europe. That comes strictly from Slavic folklore and tradition.

Except my comment didn't state anything about the Huns being the inspiration for Kislev. Also that quote I gave you was from this very topic prior to your comment which stated the inspiration for Kislev was Eastern Europe.

It stated nothing about the Huns being the inspiration of Kislev. The Huns influence on Eastern Europe is history, stating they had a influence on the inspiration for Kislev is not stating they are the inspiration for Kislev.

I explained my reasoning for why I thought Kislev better represented the Huns which is the topic. The topic of which playable faction present the Huns, not which faction in lore was the inspiration of the Huns.

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Ungol_Horse_Archers

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Huns

Idk, I could for sure role-play as the Huns with Kostaltyn.

[Revan619]

Ogres maybe?

[ChaosKhan]

Messaggio originale di Darklight:

Messaggio originale di JustSmile:

That is not what the topic asked or what you said. You said "Huns would be Kislev", which is strictly false. Huns are were a people who did not provide the inspiration for Kislev's design, even if they had conquered parts of Eastern Europe. That comes strictly from Slavic folklore and tradition.

Except my comment didn't state anything about the Huns being the inspiration for Kislev. Moreover that quote I gave you was from this very topic prior to your comment which stated the inspiration for Kislev was Eastern Europe. It stated nothing about the Huns being the inspiration of Kislev.

I explained my reasoning for why I thought Kislev better represented the Huns which is the topic. The topic of which playable faction present the Huns, not which faction in lore was the inspiration of the Huns.

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Ungol_Horse_Archers

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Huns

Idk, I could for sure role-play as the Huns with Kostaltyn.

Well, your reasoning is wrong, because the only thing Kislev has in common with Huns is horse archers. Literally EVERYTHING else, has nothing to do with them. You could as well play Brettonia and emulate Huns with them on the ground of the same reasoning.

[Darklight]

Messaggio originale di ChaosKhan:

Well, your reasoning is wrong, because the only thing Kislev has in common with Huns is horse archers. Literally EVERYTHING else, has nothing to do with them. You could as well play Brettonia and emulate Huns with them on the ground of the same reasoning.

Except Kislev horse archers are based on Eastern European steppe nomads which actually look more like Huns than anything from Brettonia and actually have more historical connection with the Huns than Britain/France but sure.

[jonoliveira12]

Messaggio originale di Darklight:

Huns would be Kislev.

No, there is literally a people called "the Hung". Kislev is slavic.

[ChaosKhan]

Messaggio originale di Darklight:

Messaggio originale di ChaosKhan:

Well, your reasoning is wrong, because the only thing Kislev has in common with Huns is horse archers. Literally EVERYTHING else, has nothing to do with them. You could as well play Brettonia and emulate Huns with them on the ground of the same reasoning.

Except Kislev horse archers are based on Eastern European steppe nomads which actually look more like Huns than anything from Brettonia and actually have more historical connection with the Huns than Britain/France but sure.

Look at their hats and attire. They virtually scream COSSACKS.

The only historical connection with the Huns for Eastern Slavs is, that they used to be conquered by them for some time. Again, the same reasoning applies to Britain/France. Do you know why western Europe suddenly developed a strong interest in cavalry warfare? Because of the conflict with the Huns and the numerous mercenaries and hired warriors from the east. A whole, huge migration took place and a lot of nomadic populace has been driven to western Europe by the Huns and settled there. There is even a well founded theory, that the very legend of King Arthur has been inspired by the Sarmatians, which migrated to Britain.

[Darklight]

Messaggio originale di ChaosKhan:

Look at their hats and attire. They virtually scream COSSACKS.

The only historical connection with the Huns is, that they used to be conquered by them for some time. Again, the same reasoning applies to Britain/France. Do you know why western Europe suddenly developed a strong interest in cavalry warfare? Because of the conflict with the Huns and the numerous mercenaries and hired warriors from the east. A whole, huge migration took place and a lot of nomadic populace has been driven to western Europe by the Huns and settled there. There is even a well founded theory, that the very legend of King Arthur has been inspired by the Sarmatians, which migrated to Britain.

Where did I say they weren't? You keep arguing with me like I'm making a 1:1 comparison, like I'm calling the Huns the inspiration for Kislev. That is not at all what I said.

I said Kislev ungol horse archers had a more steppe nomad look to them than anything out of Bretonnia. Which is true because they are based on actual steppe nomads. Eastern Europe had an interest with horse archers. The rest of Europe's primary fascination with calvary didn't extend to horse archers other than as you stated, in the mercenary form.

[Funky Monk]

There is no Ottoman counterpart in the Warhammer, the only Sultanate in the lore is Araby.

[Darklight]

Messaggio originale di jonoliveira12:

No, there is literally a people called "the Hung". Kislev is slavic.

Didn't state they weren't slavic and I fully agree the Hung are Huns/Mongols. Unfortunately the Hungs aren't in the game.

Messaggio originale di Sarpistic:

amongs the playables

[JustSmile]

Sorry, nah. You are adding layers and layers of revisions onto a very simple and unambiguous initial statement: Huns are Kislev. That statement was incorrect and that's why you got people correcting you, trying to retcon it to mean something else like you're a Blizzard employee is kinda silly.

[Darklight]

Messaggio originale di JustSmile:

Sorry, nah. You are adding layers and layers of revisions onto a very simple and unambiguous initial statement: Huns are Kislev. That statement was incorrect and that's why you got people correcting you, trying to retcon it to mean something else like you're a Blizzard employee is kinda silly.

The only person adding layers is you. OP didn't ask for what the inspiration was, nowhere was that word even mentioned. You added that context to my sentence, and as it's my sentence I can pretty confidently state I wasn't stating Kislev was inspired by the Huns.