Chaos dwarves bad?

[Aralous]

Are they just really bad or am i missing something? Playing as Drazhoath the ashen on legendary (long time legendary player). I'm being attacked with overwhelming odds from every direction. The convoys rarely make it through but they're hardly worth it anyways (except for the items). Limited recruitment for basic dwarf units was a really bad idea since the labourer units are 100% worthless. I saw 3 units of orc labourers lose a fight to a single unit of elven basic archers in melee. The major settlement wall towers are a complete joke for the faction that is supposed to be all about high tech machinery. One of the other chorf factions is taking all the council seats including the ones i have, even when other seats are open. They seam to be earning that currency 3x faster than me. Overall they just feel weak and unfun.

[Teh_Diplomat]

Hobgoblins (find your goldilocks ratio of Archers to stabbers) work great early game - far better than Labourers; and your Legendary Hero buffs them to an incredible degree.

Once I had enough Armaments, I increased Drazoath's Chorf recruitment, and gave the 2nd Army the Hobgoblins and that Goblin Lord, which again was pretty effective at minor settlements and non-LL lords on the field.

But yeah, they have a lot of plates spin to ensure you can find the joy in the experience of the Chaos Dwarfs.

[Astasia]

They are incredibly overpowered and probably need some pretty significant nerfs. I plowed through everything in the middle of the map for probably my fastest snowball ever today playing as Drazhoath. Nothing can stand up to their main units, which you can very quickly unlock full stacks of and upgrade by playing with their ridiculously powerful economy. Laborer units get entirely replaced within the like the first 10-15 turns, they don't matter. Hobgoblins are decent, especially with the legendary hero, and are unlimited, and unlocking lots their mainline units is not difficult at all as the cost doesn't jump that much and you can be getting a thousand armaments per turn pretty fast.

[Aralous]

Originally posted by Teh_Diplomat:

Hobgoblins (find your goldilocks ratio of Archers to stabbers) work great early game - far better than Labourers; and your Legendary Hero buffs them to an incredible degree.

Once I had enough Armaments, I increased Drazoath's Chorf recruitment, and gave the 2nd Army the Hobgoblins and that Goblin Lord, which again was pretty effective at minor settlements and non-LL lords on the field.

But yeah, they have a lot of plates spin to ensure you can find the joy in the experience of the Chaos Dwarfs.

Well that answers that, I literally am missing something. That quest never showed up for me. I completely forgot that hero even existed!

[TcT Goth98]

Originally posted by Astasia:

They are incredibly overpowered and probably need some pretty significant nerfs. I plowed through everything in the middle of the map for probably my fastest snowball ever today playing as Drazhoath. Nothing can stand up to their main units, which you can very quickly unlock full stacks of and upgrade by playing with their ridiculously powerful economy. Laborer units get entirely replaced within the like the first 10-15 turns, they don't matter. Hobgoblins are decent, especially with the legendary hero, and are unlimited, and unlocking lots their mainline units is not difficult at all as the cost doesn't jump that much and you can be getting a thousand armaments per turn pretty fast.

Very untrue. They are pretty weak right now.

[Astasia]

Originally posted by TcT Goth98:

Very untrue. They are pretty weak right now.

They are definitely not weak. Some people are still just figuring out their mechanics and economy balance. They are definitely a faction you can play "wrong" and struggle because of it.

[Wtan6290]

is the set formation not working after the latest update 3.0 cause when I tried to set my missile formation in front, my melee unit will still be in front of my missile unit? Is there a solution to this issue?

[Sweetllew]

only thing i hate is the unit cap for dwarfs and having to spend arms to get more. it sucked with the Beastman and hope someone gets a mod that removes that literally makes factions suck to play why torux kinda died off for played a ton after his 1 turn and razing half the map was looted just not as fun as some factions.
hopeful someone makes a mod for this or the cost gets dropped down a lot in a patch

[Defmonkey]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Originally posted by TcT Goth98:

Very untrue. They are pretty weak right now.

They are definitely not weak. Some people are still just figuring out their mechanics and economy balance. They are definitely a faction you can play "wrong" and struggle because of it.

Yes this is correct. Alot of people jumping to conclusions before actually playing through properly. Its it bit like saying khorne is trash not understanding how the mechanics work.

[Defmonkey]

Originally posted by Sweetllew:

only thing i hate is the unit cap for dwarfs and having to spend arms to get more. it sucked with the Beastman and hope someone gets a mod that removes that literally makes factions suck to play why torux kinda died off for played a ton after his 1 turn and razing half the map was looted just not as fun as some factions.

Yeah, this works very well for lore reasons etc. But can understand not liking the cap playstyle if it doesn't suit you. Personally i like this.

[Manchine]

Nope your missing something. I not the best player in the world and I have to put battles on SLOW speed. Playing Drazhoath also and I have secured 3 provinces. The Main, Orks above me and the skaven to the west of me. Took out the Undead guy to the east. Now working on the Plague Guy with the islands. Just started working on the second grouping of the conclave. Beat Quest Item with all the Undead attacking.

I am on Normal Campaign and Battles. Blunderbusses and Magma Cannons are your best Friends. I have 3 Blunderbusses and 2 Magma Cannons in my Main Army.

[Nox]

I have majority of Darklands, Half of Mountains of Mourn.

And the ordertide is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy, half of norsca dead, from imrik to teclis it's all ordertide. Basically quit my Drazoath campaign due to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of stacks being sent my way, like come on, can friendly AI be of use as well?

[Saint Scylla]

Originally posted by Aralous:

That quest never showed up for me. I completely forgot that hero even existed!

FIY the quest to unlock Gorduz triggers when you build a Hobgoblin Mustering Camp. It will require you to recruit and maintain 8 Hobgoblin units. Completing the quest will grant you Gorduz and +500 Labour.

For more details on unlocking unique characters, check this guide:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2756243861

[Greldinart]

Originally posted by Snake:

I have majority of Darklands, Half of Mountains of Mourn.
And the ordertide is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy, half of norsca dead, from imrik to teclis it's all ordertide. Basically quit my Drazoath campaign due to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of stacks being sent my way, like come on, can friendly AI be of use as well?

1/ before 3.0 chaos ia was winning everywhere and mainly chaos faction, and the ia dont stand a chance against those elite army tier5 summoned by portal in late game.
2/ this south east map corner was the garden of boris, too many weak faction without LL and who dont evolve their cities/technology, it was too easy to take.
3/ add existing LL faction on chaos campaign map is a good news, it upgrade difficulty for chaos dwarf, and can pave the way to FLC for old faction.

[TcT Goth98]

Having to balance all the different currency and mechanics and unit caps to have 3 mid armies of a few dwarfs and mostly greenskins while at the same time highelves have 30+ full stacks of star dragons and sisters of averlorn easy means they ARE weak.

[TcT Goth98]

Plus Ordertide is sadly back.