Ai Malus Darkblade is busted

[EchoSON]

Boy had 500+ kills against my Slaanesh Army...
When I got him down to no HP, he randomly got FULL hp back

Absolutely decimated my Demon Prince in a 1v1 even at 90 armour, with some ward - lots of armour pen and magic attack... etcetc, just utterly smashed (within seconds)

Ended up with all his units dead, vs multiple full units of my own - He killed everyone and his health didn't move in a drawn out battle

Armoured Whip Chaos Warriors (3 squads), Slaanesh Spawns (3-4 squads) , Renown units - Demonspew , Princes of Perfection ... NOT A DENT

[dulany67]

This is satire, isn't it?

[EchoSON]

Originally posted by dulany67:

This is satire, isn't it?

No? He Solo killed my Demon Prince then over 500 units after his army had died ...
I don't see the joke, he's ridiculous

[Father Ribs]

Malus Darkblade is another one of those lords who can be crazy. His spells let him AOE dps and heal simultaneously. If you surround him with trash units it will be like handing him healing potions.

Doesn't his healthbar max out when he transforms as well?

[MadArtillery]

You need to just avoid him once he goes super mode as he'll aoe life steal off your troops. You want to just run him around the map as he loses life over time or duel him so he doesn't get fat heals. Best to army loss him rather then actually fight him.

[Ashley]

You can AR him if you move fast while he's sieging his first city

Or don't actively try to kill him and win through army loss in my experiences he doesn't transform unless you push him.

If he does run away sacrifice a low worth unit if you have to while everyone runs

[Father Ribs]

Originally posted by Tunguska:

Oh, and since the transformation is an active ability you can silence or rampage him when he's low too, so sending in Karanak or using any rampage ability or spell (like Pavane of Slaanesh) and killing him while he's rampaged should work.
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Ooh, neat trick, though I'd never get the timing right. I had it happen to me as a Cathay caster, was too close to the Slaneesh demon and never got to pop into dragon form. Ouch.

[EchoSON]

Originally posted by Tunguska:

Originally posted by Father Ribs:

Doesn't his healthbar max out when he transforms as well?

It effectively spawns a new unit, with full health and its own healing cap.
But when he transforms, he'll take damage over time. Just run, shoot him, or keep him occupied with chaff. If you can army loss him before he can transform, you can win that way too. While transformed, he's unbreakable.

Oh, and since the transformation is an active ability you can silence or rampage him when he's low too, so sending in Karanak or using any rampage ability or spell (like Pavane of Slaanesh) and killing him while he's rampaged should work.

Originally posted by EchoSON:

No? He Solo killed my Demon Prince then over 500 units after his army had died ...
I don't see the joke, he's ridiculous

If this actually happened, you did something seriously wrong.

I didn't do anything wrong, Slanesh has no range units
Obviously , you'd 'assume'

"Armoured Whip Chaos Warriors (3 squads), Slaanesh Spawns (3-4 squads) , Renown units - Demonspew , Princes of Perfection" would be able to do something to him , but it doesn't

Like the other guy pointed out, he heals when surrounded , and since he was the only one alive, he was constantly full health sapping everyone to death

And after killing him once - he gains full hp.

But he did also kill my level 13 demon Prince in barely any time aswell - I retreated the Prince but he was affected by DOT so he died within 30 seconds of falling back

Within 5 seconds of my demon Prince engaging, he'd lost over 1/4 of his hp
Demon Prince did okay damage ... it helped in getting Blackblade through his 'first phase' , but since the prince couldn't be there for the 2nd Phase, there was no chance.

Blackblade is broken, that's the end of it, he's like a fkin Darksouls Boss as a Commander Unit... 1st phase, 2nd phase, massive AOE life steal... ;c

[AkumulatoR]

He just got a big nerf and people still can't deal with him. CA is gonna destroy him, don't they? Sad!

[Revan619]

Originally posted by MadArtillery:

You need to just avoid him once he goes super mode as he'll aoe life steal off your troops. You want to just run him around the map as he loses life over time or duel him so he doesn't get fat heals. Best to army loss him rather then actually fight him.

NGL there have been many time in my kislev campaigns where I wipe out his whole army then he solos my army. He was what people memed vlad to be lol

[EchoSON]

Originally posted by AkumulatoR:

He just got a big nerf and people still can't deal with him. CA is gonna destroy him, don't they? Sad!

I could deal with him - with a different race or an army comp specifically tailored to kill him

I didn't think I'd need to do that seeing as 99% of things in the game WILL die if you throw enough units at them , it was my first time fighting this bloke so I didn't know his busted mechanics

[LKAI]

I think he is still very strong with the nerf if your army isn't ready. You have to kill off His army (preferably any black arc support he has as well before) and avoid him. Depends on your difficulty but try to get him chasing something away from the fighting while you focus on his army. If he has transformed do NOT let him heal from combat. Ideally he is winded and slow from earlier in the battle. It's a bit of a cheat but without fighting he loses hp over time. Hide slow troops or if, difficulty depending, you know you can retreat them from the field without losing too much balance of power to lose outright. You can play keep away with fast units, leading him away from hidden ones or just to watch him burn up.

Valkia with her quest items is a good match, I believe the immunity shield negates healing but she also has anti large buff weapon for him... Then vassalise unleash the suffering on your enemies.

[FizzMan]

You're actually being challenged for once? How strange.

Deamons of Chaos are notoriously one of the weakest factions also btw.

[EchoSON]

Originally posted by FizzMan:

You're actually being challenged for once? How strange.

Deamons of Chaos are notoriously one of the weakest factions also btw.

It's less of a challenge, more of a 'if you know you know' - and it only takes one experience to know

No other Commander in the game is like that though , so it is strange

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by EchoSON:

I could deal with him - with a different race or an army comp specifically tailored to kill him

I didn't think I'd need to do that seeing as 99% of things in the game WILL die if you throw enough units at them , it was my first time fighting this bloke so I didn't know his busted mechanics

The army you described would suck against any of the hardier Legendary Lords with life regen.

You cannot surround and wear such lords down with normal troops, its their ideal battle situation (Normal troops doesn't do enough damage against a small single entity to counter the life regen, since very few models of the units can attack at a time).

Rather you need to use strong single entities (Lords/Heroes/Monsters, several might be needed), ranged (if available) and magic (that is good against single targets) instead. Preferably in combination.

Also a source of fire damage helps since it slows down health regen 50%.

[Goose]

crazy? He's dead within 10 turns of every game I play. the generic factions beat his ass