Destiny 2 pay to win?

[Paul]

Hi guys, I open this discussion to get an opinion, I wanted to download Destiny but some time ago there was a maximum level cap, then to continue you needed a certain dlc, and I didn't like this very much, I had an idea that I would have to pay to be able to continue to the best. But maybe I was wrong and I wanted to know if even a free to play without dlc can have the same power as those who own them.

Thanks for whoever replies and just to know an opinion for those who play more than me :3.

[Verios44]

the level cap is not exactly restricted to the DLC's, you can be maxs level as free to play, just far fewer ways to grind up.

It is true though that 100% free to play is extremly limiting, but you do get the core activities and one dongeun/raid to try. I would guesss about 85% of content is behind the various DLC's

[Paul]

Originally posted by Verios44:

the level cap is not exactly restricted to the DLC's, you can be maxs level as free to play, just far fewer ways to grind up.

It is true though that 100% free to play is extremly limiting, but you do get the core activities and one dongeun/raid to try. I would guesss about 85% of content is behind the various DLC's

So the dlcs are essential to play against each other at their best? in the sense that whoever doesn't keep them is at a disadvantage compared to whoever has them?

[Emurinus]

Eh, you can argue it, but most of the free stuff you get in the game can still compete; may not be as efficient, but not poor overall. On top of that, 95% of the time the paid stuff still requires you to play the game to get the good loot anyways.

For example, to get a god roll Succession, you need to buy Beyond Light, play through the main campaign, then play the raid long enough to either get the god roll via RNG, or (soon) get enough red borders to craft one, then level it up enough to get the necessary perks.

Basically, whether you pay for content or not, you'll usually need to work to actually get it.

[alxndrmn]

I played Destiny 1 and 2 years back and enjoyed the game purely for the gameplay itself, not any competitive aspects or the like. For more difficult quests, gear or easy leveling from DLCs absolutely helps, but I recommend multiplayer instead. Playing with friends or even random matchups was one of my favorite memories. But, going back to the question itself, the game is absolutely pay to win. Just remember that you can get a ton of fun out of the game even without any DLC. Have fun and have a great day!

[Paul]

Originally posted by Emurinus:

Eh, you can argue it, but most of the free stuff you get in the game can still compete; may not be as efficient, but not poor overall. On top of that, 95% of the time the paid stuff still requires you to play the game to get the good loot anyways.

For example, to get a god roll Succession, you need to buy Beyond Light, play through the main campaign, then play the raid long enough to either get the god roll via RNG, or (soon) get enough red borders to craft one, then level it up enough to get the necessary perks.

Basically, whether you pay for content or not, you'll usually need to work to actually get it.

Surely even having the dlc you have to play a lot, but I would like to know if a person without the dlc is less strong than someone who owns it if there is the concept of pay to win

[Paul]

Originally posted by Alexander Moon:

I played Destiny 1 and 2 years back and enjoyed the game purely for the gameplay itself, not any competitive aspects or the like. For more difficult quests, gear or easy leveling from DLCs absolutely helps, but I recommend multiplayer instead. Playing with friends or even random matchups was one of my favorite memories. But, going back to the question itself, the game is absolutely pay to win. Just remember that you can get a ton of fun out of the game even without any DLC. Have fun and have a great day!

Thanks for the reply

[Paul]

Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by Alexander Moon:

I played Destiny 1 and 2 years back and enjoyed the game purely for the gameplay itself, not any competitive aspects or the like. For more difficult quests, gear or easy leveling from DLCs absolutely helps, but I recommend multiplayer instead. Playing with friends or even random matchups was one of my favorite memories. But, going back to the question itself, the game is absolutely pay to win. Just remember that you can get a ton of fun out of the game even without any DLC. Have fun and have a great day!

Thanks for the reply :3

[Emurinus]

Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by Emurinus:

Eh, you can argue it, but most of the free stuff you get in the game can still compete; may not be as efficient, but not poor overall. On top of that, 95% of the time the paid stuff still requires you to play the game to get the good loot anyways.

For example, to get a god roll Succession, you need to buy Beyond Light, play through the main campaign, then play the raid long enough to either get the god roll via RNG, or (soon) get enough red borders to craft one, then level it up enough to get the necessary perks.

Basically, whether you pay for content or not, you'll usually need to work to actually get it.

Surely even having the dlc you have to play a lot, but I would like to know if a person without the dlc is less strong than someone who owns it if there is the concept of pay to win

At the worst, F2P players will progress slower than those with paid content (assuming no RNG shenanigans affecting either player); however, as far as actual power and gear goes, you can still reach endgame level like everyone else as a free player, and there are plenty of good (and sometimes even meta) free gear to get too.

[Mez Koo]

No, there is no quick button to buy power or advantage, you need to earn everything in most cases.

The most pay to win thing is buying the forsaken pack which gives you a choice of 3 forsaken era exotics from a limited selection (you can earn the rest), but even then you still need to earn the catalysts.

[Mez Koo]

In terms of gear there are a lot of top tier options for free to play and as for content open to free to play I made an up to date guide about it: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2691498745

[Weedle]

I dont think the game is pay to win, because there isnt a system where you can throw money in infinitely to gain power. Its more like "pay to have access to content that drops items that will help you win".

Paying for a ticket to do content to gain power is different than paying directly for power. At least in my opinion.

[Nakos]

Enh ... I'd say no.

Yes, there is a small advantage to owning the Season Pass, but that's not an infinitely scaling thing, it's a flat fee that's really just a stand-in for a subscription cost.

Bungie is (in my opinion) pretty transparent and egalitarian in their pricing structure.

[Ravnhood]

Nah, no pay to win. It's pay to play. The season pass experience boost makes progression go to fast and gets boring, in my opinion, but there is zero PvP advantage. Proper DLC, not season passes, unlocks new content/event types that can't be played otherwise, so there is zero competitive advantage. In other words, there is nothing "to win" by paying for DLCs.

[Coronaus]

Yes and no. By purchasing expansions you get access to certain exotics that are really meta and strong. But on the other hand, there are a lot of solid options that are accessible without any purchases (ie: funnelweb, taipan, arblest). You do get locked out of builds and other potential options that might be better so you are still locked at a certain potential level.

[Kitneko]

Originally posted by Paul:

Hi guys, I open this discussion to get an opinion, I wanted to download Destiny but some time ago there was a maximum level cap, then to continue you needed a certain dlc, and I didn't like this very much, I had an idea that I would have to pay to be able to continue to the best. But maybe I was wrong and I wanted to know if even a free to play without dlc can have the same power as those who own them.

Thanks for whoever replies and just to know an opinion for those who play more than me :3.

No, the game is not pay to win, i dont know why people are saying this.

the game is more like pay to play content that are locked only with dlcs
but in the current game you have 2 raids(very good), a lot of things to do