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BAD Feb 28, 2022 @ 9:02am
So let me get this straight...
The new Throne world resource is just ranking up with Fynch, which is fine, but you need to buy the DLC to collect the engrams you get for every rank you gain?... Even though the last season allowed you to collect engram rewards regardless of whether you bought the DLC... I don't get why this game keeps trying to be free to play. I get the need to make money, but how many paywalls are you going to add before this game becomes a unplayable mess. There are WAY too many game that do F2P right to make decision like this that hinder player experience and closes their wallets to paying for anything in-game. I have spent money on Warframe :Excalibur: , Planetside 2 and when it was still around, Defiance, because I had fun and never ran into anything Story or Content wise I couldn't do save for one or two Content locked weapons and Skills in the last said game. However, I never felt I needed to spend money to enjoy them. What is going on that this would be a decision that would be OK'd? I can't say D2 is a bad, it has its moment, but what was the point of going F2p if they just keep charging for simple reward. I'm sorry to those who enjoy this game as it seem that you have to deal with a discussion about the games monetization almost EVERY new season, but it is pretty lousy. :cozyspaceengineersa:
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Khloros Feb 28, 2022 @ 9:51am 
Yes, because Fynch is tied to the DLC/ expansion, not the season. It was the same thing with beyond light, you could not collect from whats hit nuts unless you had the expansion.
daveyboi Feb 28, 2022 @ 10:01am 
Originally posted by Khloros:
Yes, because Fynch is tied to the DLC/ expansion, not the season. It was the same thing with beyond light, you could not collect from whats hit nuts unless you had the expansion.
variks?
Mez Koo Feb 28, 2022 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by BAD:
I have spent money on Warframe :Excalibur: , Planetside 2 and when it was still around, Defiance, because I had fun
So you're okay spending money on free to play games that you enjoy but not buy games you want to enjoy?

Destiny 2 is free to play as you can download and install the game for free and play it but its not a free to play game where you can play the whole game without paying, this is not Warframe.
Originally posted by BAD:
I'm sorry to those who enjoy this game as it seem that you have to deal with a discussion about the games monetization almost EVERY new season, but it is pretty lousy.
To be fair 80$ per year isn't that much for hundreds of hours of entertainment throughout the year.
Last edited by Mez Koo; Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:35am
fwwm Feb 28, 2022 @ 10:22am 
f2p games have given everyone brain worms
Nakos Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:31am 
Originally posted by BAD:
I don't get why this game keeps trying to be free to play. I get the need to make money, but how many paywalls are you going to add before this game becomes a unplayable mess. There are WAY too many game that do F2P right to make decision like this that hinder player experience and closes their wallets to paying for anything in-game.

"Free-to-Play" is a business model. It means: No initial purchase required by the end user. That's all. It doesn't mean "free" in the traditional sense of the word. To be fair, many companies do lean heavily into the word "free" in their marketing, but that's all it is, marketing. The games aren't really "free".

All FTP games are really just demos.

Bungie puts out one expansion a bit less often than once a year. The price of a triple-A game gives you all the content for an entire planned expansion year.

That seems pretty reasonable for what Destiny 2 offers (in my opinion).

Originally posted by BAD:
However, I never felt I needed to spend money to enjoy them.

Really? Are you saying you were okay with the 2 Frame slots and the 12 weapon slots in Warframe? Or did you expand that? If you really never spent cash, and used the player driven Platinum marketplace, you do understand that means you were working for the paying players, right? No Platinum enters that marketplace without having been purchased for cash, by some player. You were (functionally) employed by the playing players.

If you didn't bring cash to the table, then you brought labor instead. That's opportunity cost, you just chose an alternate method of payment.

Originally posted by BAD:
What is going on that this would be a decision that would be OK'd? I can't say D2 is a bad, it has its moment, but what was the point of going F2p if they just keep charging for simple reward.

Destiny 2 is a Game-as-a-Service. As I said above, it's about the price of one triple-A game about once a year. That gets you all of the content. Destiny 2 doesn't use a whale-centric model. Many of the other games/companies that use an FTP model do use a whale-centric model.

In Destiny 2, everyone who wants to play pays. Everyone who wants to play pays the same.

Originally posted by BAD:
I'm sorry to those who enjoy this game as it seem that you have to deal with a discussion about the games monetization almost EVERY new season, but it is pretty lousy. :cozyspaceengineersa:

Honestly, it's more often than that. There's a discussion of the monetization model just about every single day.
Last edited by Nakos; Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:32am
SoULLeSs Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:35am 
Originally posted by Nakos:
Originally posted by BAD:
I don't get why this game keeps trying to be free to play. I get the need to make money, but how many paywalls are you going to add before this game becomes a unplayable mess. There are WAY too many game that do F2P right to make decision like this that hinder player experience and closes their wallets to paying for anything in-game.

"Free-to-Play" is a business model. It means: No initial purchase required by the end user. That's all. It doesn't mean "free" in the traditional sense of the word. To be fair, many companies do lean heavily into the word "free" in their marketing, but that's all it is, marketing. The games aren't really "free".

All FTP games are really just demos.

Bungie puts out one expansion a bit less often than once a year. The price of a triple-A game gives you all the content for an entire planned expansion year.

That seems pretty reasonable for what Destiny 2 offers (in my opinion).

Originally posted by BAD:
However, I never felt I needed to spend money to enjoy them.

Really? Are you saying you were okay with the 2 Frame slots and the 12 weapon slots in Warframe? Or did you expand that? If you really never spent cash, and used the player driven Platinum marketplace, you do understand that means you were working for the paying players, right? No Platinum enters that marketplace without having been purchased for cash, by some player. You were (functionally) employed by the playing players.

If you didn't bring cash to the table, then you brought labor instead. That's opportunity cost, you just chose an alternate method of payment.

Originally posted by BAD:
What is going on that this would be a decision that would be OK'd? I can't say D2 is a bad, it has its moment, but what was the point of going F2p if they just keep charging for simple reward.

Destiny 2 is a Game-as-a-Service. As I said above, it's about the price of one triple-A game about once a year. That gets you all of the content. Destiny 2 doesn't use a whale-centric model. Many of the other games/companies that use an FTP model do use a whale-centric model.

In Destiny 2, everyone who wants to play pays. Everyone who wants to play pays the same.

Originally posted by BAD:
I'm sorry to those who enjoy this game as it seem that you have to deal with a discussion about the games monetization almost EVERY new season, but it is pretty lousy. :cozyspaceengineersa:

Honestly, it's more often than that. There's a discussion of the monetization model just about every single day.

I would even give this game a shot but since they're deleting all earlier content I'm not keen on paying an expansion so it can be removed next year or so, installed the game today and had a blast so far but due to the "remove content" issues I'm not even sure if I'm inclined to buy any of the expansions. I even bought the game before it went f2p but lost interest for quite a while
Last edited by SoULLeSs; Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:37am
Mez Koo Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:35am 
Originally posted by Khloros:
Yes, because Fynch is tied to the DLC/ expansion, not the season. It was the same thing with beyond light, you could not collect from whats hit nuts unless you had the expansion.
Variks didn't give you items like Fynch.
Mez Koo Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:41am 
Originally posted by MaZaKaS:
I would even give this game a shot but since they're deleting all earlier content I'm not keen on paying an expansion so it can be removed next year or so
The only content that has been removed so far is over 3 years old and made under Activision. New content such as Beyond Light and Witch Queen will almost certainly not be removed considering it was made with the new engine updates, stability, and maintenance in mind plus they are essentially Destiny 3. If Shadowkeep gets vaulted then that'll likely be the last thing assuming it even does get vaulted so don't believe the "why buy the new expansion if its going to get vaulted" nonsense.

And contrary to what the OP claims there is a lot you can do for free to get a feel for the game to decide if you want to buy into it or if you just want to build up an arsenal, currency, and other stuff before you buy.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2691498745
SoULLeSs Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:43am 
Originally posted by Mez Koo:
Originally posted by MaZaKaS:
I would even give this game a shot but since they're deleting all earlier content I'm not keen on paying an expansion so it can be removed next year or so
The only content that has been removed so far is over 3 years old and made under Activision. New content such as Beyond Light and Witch Queen will almost certainly not be removed considering it was made with the new engine updates, stability, and maintenance in mind plus they are essentially Destiny 3. If Shadowkeep gets vaulted then that'll likely be the last thing assuming it even does get vaulted so don't believe the "why buy the new expansion if its going to get vaulted" nonsense.

And contrary to what the OP claims there is a lot you can do for free to get a feel for the game to decide if you want to buy into it or if you just want to build up an arsenal, currency, and other stuff before you buy.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2691498745

Well, then maybe I'll change my mind, but won't risk to buy Shadowkeep (due to the reviews and that you're telling me now that's going probably to go down aswell) but atm I got other priorities, thanks for letting me know

Edit: Started to read the guide, I thought the f2p model was much less but it still seems to have a good free content to play. Maybe going to play a bit more and decide if I buy any of the expansions in some other day
Last edited by SoULLeSs; Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:46am
Nakos Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:46am 
Originally posted by MaZaKaS:
I would even give this game a shot but since they're deleting all earlier content I'm not keen on paying an expansion so it can be removed next year or so, installed the game today and had a blast so far but due to the "remove content" issues I'm not even sure if I'm inclined to buy any of the expansions. I even bought the game before it went f2p but lost interest for quite a while

Okay. G'bye. Hope you find a game you enjoy.

No FTP game expects every trial user to migrate to a paying customer. That's why the model exists, it's a free demo. You tried it, you didn't like the business model (as opposed to not liking the content or gameplay). That's okay, it's part of the expectation.

However, I will point out, they do not remove "all" earlier content.

They have removed the older content that was created under Activision (which wasn't built to be viable past S11). None of that content was younger than 3 years old at the time it was removed.

We don't actually know if they're going to remove anything else. They may, they may not. The next window when something would be removed would be when the Y6 content package is released. That'll be at least a year away from now.

Bungie has put together a detailed explanation of exactly what they've removed, and why: https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/360049202971-Destiny-Content-Vault

I suggest reading that rather than listening to rumor and hearsay.
mark1971 Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:49am 
Originally posted by BAD:
The new Throne world resource is just ranking up with Fynch, which is fine, but you need to buy the DLC to collect the engrams you get for every rank you gain?... Even though the last season allowed you to collect engram rewards regardless of whether you bought the DLC... I don't get why this game keeps trying to be free to play. I get the need to make money, but how many paywalls are you going to add before this game becomes a unplayable mess. There are WAY too many game that do F2P right to make decision like this that hinder player experience and closes their wallets to paying for anything in-game. I have spent money on Warframe :Excalibur: , Planetside 2 and when it was still around, Defiance, because I had fun and never ran into anything Story or Content wise I couldn't do save for one or two Content locked weapons and Skills in the last said game. However, I never felt I needed to spend money to enjoy them. What is going on that this would be a decision that would be OK'd? I can't say D2 is a bad, it has its moment, but what was the point of going F2p if they just keep charging for simple reward. I'm sorry to those who enjoy this game as it seem that you have to deal with a discussion about the games monetization almost EVERY new season, but it is pretty lousy.

Free-to-play, that's fundamental content. I say the game, parts of it, are a generous demo. Anything else is purchasable. Sure, you can stay on the free side, but you miss a lot.

I don't wanna excuse anything, but that's how it works. That's just another business model.
SoULLeSs Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:49am 
Originally posted by Nakos:
Originally posted by MaZaKaS:
I would even give this game a shot but since they're deleting all earlier content I'm not keen on paying an expansion so it can be removed next year or so, installed the game today and had a blast so far but due to the "remove content" issues I'm not even sure if I'm inclined to buy any of the expansions. I even bought the game before it went f2p but lost interest for quite a while

Okay. G'bye. Hope you find a game you enjoy.

No FTP game expects every trial user to migrate to a paying customer. That's why the model exists, it's a free demo. You tried it, you didn't like the business model (as opposed to not liking the content or gameplay). That's okay, it's part of the expectation.

However, I will point out, they do not remove "all" earlier content.

They have removed the older content that was created under Activision (which wasn't built to be viable past S11). None of that content was younger than 3 years old at the time it was removed.

We don't actually know if they're going to remove anything else. They may, they may not. The next window when something would be removed would be when the Y6 content package is released. That'll be at least a year away from now.

Bungie has put together a detailed explanation of exactly what they've removed, and why: https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/360049202971-Destiny-Content-Vault

I suggest reading that rather than listening to rumor and hearsay.

I already paid full price for Destiny 2 when it got out, guess it was a waste. If I had known they would cut most of the earlier campaigns I wouldn't even paid full price for it and waited for it to go f2p instead. I'm still thinking to buy at least one of the expansions and try it to see if I like, but definitly won't purchase Shadowkeep, both due to its slightly negative reviews and chance of being removed aswell. I get it, they need some way of income but I also don't want to buy something that I won't play much afterwards, I just installed this game after a year or two and enjoyed it but I still have my doubts
Last edited by SoULLeSs; Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:53am
Nakos Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:54am 
Originally posted by MaZaKaS:
I already paid full price for Destiny 2 when it got out, guess it was a waste. If I had known they would cut most of the earlier campaigns I wouldn't even paid full price for it and waited for it to go f2p instead

The game costs money to make, and money to maintain. Like I said: About the price of one triple-A game about once a year. I think that's pretty reasonable.

The decision to sell Destiny 2 outright was another choice made by Activision. Activision's intention was to end Destiny 2 at the end of S11. Nothing would have been carried forward.

Beyond Light was (functionally) the start of Destiny 3. But unlike Activision, Bungie allowed you to carry your existing character forward and maintained a great deal of the legacy content for much, much longer than Activision had intended.
Mez Koo Feb 28, 2022 @ 11:59am 
Originally posted by MaZaKaS:
Well, then maybe I'll change my mind, but won't risk to buy Shadowkeep (due to the reviews and that you're telling me now that's going probably to go down aswell) but atm I got other priorities, thanks for letting me know
Shadowkeep's fate is definitely up the in air, it was pretty much made after the split with Activision but it was a rough time so it could have been just as rushed as the rest so only Bungie knows how its working although it was still probably designed with longevity in mind versus the rest which Activision wouldn't have cared about if they were going to do Destiny 3 anyway.

But on the other hand it does act as a prelude to all darkness stuff especially beyond light where we essentially come face to face with darkness in shadowkeep and then "embrace" it with beyond light.
Nibbie Feb 28, 2022 @ 12:08pm 
Originally posted by MaZaKaS:
I already paid full price for Destiny 2 when it got out, guess it was a waste. If I had known they would cut most of the earlier campaigns I wouldn't even paid full price for it and waited for it to go f2p instead.

Is buying a movie ticket a waste, since that movie will be on DVD or Netflix or such after a few years? If you enjoyed playing the content you paid for, then it wasn't a waste. Games being changed or deleted don't change the fun you had and the memories you made.

Also, its not like it wasn't going to become cheaper over time, no matter what other decisions were made. You only have yourself to blame for paying full price, and that applies to just about any product; ultimately it is a judgement call of getting a thing now for a high price, or later for a low price.
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