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Here, There Be Dragons
Gogabor  [developer] Mar 25, 2018 @ 10:04pm
Dragon civics
Discuss idea of dragons-related civics for empires
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Draconic Evolution should present an alternate playstyle made around finding and taming dragons, collecting eggs, and through research breeding your own dragons. It would be a Starbase building (requiring at least Starholds) called “Drake Breeding Center”, which if two dragons are in orbit of the starbase an egg will be created. The hatching time will be about 1 year. After researching Cloning, a rare tech would appear “Dragon Egg Incubation” that allows you to clone eggs and grow dragons faster than breeding them, through another Starbase Building “Drake Incubation Vats” (requiring a Star Fortress). Later in the game, an Ascension Perk called “Voidwyrm Ranching” (requiring Dragon Egg Incubation and two other perks) could be selected unlocking a breeding/incubation megastructure called “Leviathan Cloning Base” that allows direct cloning of adult dragons.

I could work on a Draconic shipset too.

Opinion malus for those who kill dragons. Cannot be Xenophobe to select the civic. Leader gains “Dragonborn” trait. Perk and techs exclusive to civic. Civic attracts dragons into your space and can give barren worlds the “Hoard World” modifier, and if they happen to, they will stop by it to drop minerals, increasing the minerals of the planet. May also lay an egg there. All drakes are neutral.

I suggested the megastructure idea to Elowiny of Gigastructural Engineering, and the civic I proposed originally to cbshing.
Last edited by Chastity the Celibate; Mar 26, 2018 @ 2:26pm
cbshing Mar 26, 2018 @ 5:48pm 
@Gogabor & @xnadu27, I'll start making some semblence of a civic mod this week and do some more reading on your mod's code. @Gogabor, when you're back let's go from there. Looking forward to working with you on the idea.
Gogabor  [developer] Mar 30, 2018 @ 1:48pm 
Hello there, @xnadu27, I have to re-read your post again, maybe several times :) Sounds good, I'd start with a list in what order to implement these ideas, obviously they cannot be done all at once but only in several steps. In that sense each step should be self-sufficient to be playable without other steps even. Also I'd think about 'dark side of the force' to balance this civic for Xenophobes and others without it, having fleet of dragons will make empire with this civic nearly invinsible. It is just my quick thoughts at the moment.
Last edited by Gogabor; Mar 30, 2018 @ 1:49pm
Gogabor  [developer] Mar 30, 2018 @ 1:50pm 
@cbshing, I am back so fell free to ask any questions
Originally posted by Gogabor:
Hello there, @xnadu27, I have to re-read your post again, maybe several times :) Sounds good, I'd start with a list in what order to implement these ideas, obviously they cannot be done all at once but only in several steps. In that sense each step should be self-sufficient to be playable without other steps even. Also I'd think about 'dark side of force' to balance this civic for Xenophobes and others without it, having fleet of dragons will make empire with this civic nearly invinsible. It is just my quick thoughts at the moment.

Maybe you could increase the cost and decrease the effectiveness of normal ships. I will try to make Dragon shipset btw and was wondering if I could use the dragon colors for different classes.
I made an outline, if you see anything wrong let me know.

Step 1: the civic, and collecting/taming dragons
Step 2: Dragon Breeding Center SB, Dragon Egg Incubation tech, Drake Incubation vats SB
Step 3: Hoard world modifier, Dragonborn trait
Step 4: The perk and the megastructure
Gogabor  [developer] Mar 30, 2018 @ 2:15pm 
Originally posted by xnadu27:
I will try to make Dragon shipset btw and was wondering if I could use the dragon colors for different classes.
I am OK with that, sounds reasonable
Gogabor  [developer] Mar 30, 2018 @ 2:38pm 
As for dragon attraction, I was thinking about similar things ( not civic but alternative way opposite to 'dragon fear') I was considering that 'Way of the Dragon' event chain could end with two options - to scare them or to attract. I think civic itself can't attract dragons, why would dragons care about some species has this civic or not? Instead I suggest to give better understanding of dragons for this civic, say it have to research 2 favorable and 3 uncomfortable systems only (instead of 3 and 5 for others) and get the only option to develop means to attract dragons as result. So just better and faster understanding of dragons at the beginnig, then ability to attrack them which is pure technical thing. Then more dragons in owned space gives possibility to research them even better and more abilities you have mentioned above, etc. This way is also opened for other civs except xenophobes but with limited output, say only attraction and neutrality of dragons.
In fact this should be first step on my side - make dragons neutral to some empires being still hostile to others, last time I was trying to do that I've failed. I have couple ideas now and have to check them.
Originally posted by Gogabor:
As for dragon attraction, I was thinking about similar things ( not civic but alternative way opposite to 'dragon fear') I was considering that 'Way of the Dragon' event chain could end with two options - to scare them or to attract. I think civic itself can't attract dragons, why would dragons care about some species has this civic or not? Instead I suggest to give better understanding of dragons for this civic, say it have to research 2 favorable and 3 uncomfortable systems only (instead of 3 and 5 for others) and get the only option to develop means to attract dragons as result. So just better and faster understanding of dragons at the beginnig, then ability to attrack them which is pure technical thing. Then more dragons in owned space gives possibility to research them even better and more abilities you have mentioned above, etc. This way is also opened for other civs except xenophobes but with limited output, say only attraction and neutrality of dragons.
In fact this should be first step on my side - make dragons neutral to some empires being still hostile to others, last time I was trying to do that I've failed. I have couple ideas now and have to check them.

I have more ideas if you need them, and that all sounds really good, I like the attarcting dragons not beig apart of the civic.
@Gogabor, the mod Gwen’s Domesticated Xenofauna has a module (spaceport, but still might be useful) for raising Ether Drakes, maybe you could check it out and get some ideas from there
Last edited by Chastity the Celibate; Apr 1, 2018 @ 4:00pm
cbshing Apr 1, 2018 @ 6:41pm 
Apologies all, I've been trying to rebalance one of the civics in Origins Civics and got delayed. If @Gogabor builds the attraction system, for the civic the idea i have in mind is to add the Dragon Hoard planet into your start system and have your system be one of those 2 favorable systems in the way of the dragon chain. Maybe at the end of the chain you can build this dragon breeding structure that @xnadu27 suggested? And I can add opinion modifiers if a dragon is killed?
Originally posted by cbshing:
Apologies all, I've been trying to rebalance one of the civics in Origins Civics and got delayed. If @Gogabor builds the attraction system, for the civic the idea i have in mind is to add the Dragon Hoard planet into your start system and have your system be one of those 2 favorable systems in the way of the dragon chain. Maybe at the end of the chain you can build this dragon breeding structure that @xnadu27 suggested? And I can add opinion modifiers if a dragon is killed?

Good idea. And take your time, make it good, not fast.
@Gogabor, so @cbshing suggested that there be a code repository or something like that so other modders could add to it or whatever, because I proposed the idea of a Shroud event about getting a Psionic Drake to the author of Shroud Expanded, and he said he would do it.
Gogabor  [developer] Apr 4, 2018 @ 12:37pm 
I agree, I was thinking about that since this mod was started but had no good reasons. I will create repo on github I think
Cool. Btw Elowiny said thaf he/she would be willing to collaborate on the megastructure.
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