ARK: Survival Evolved

ARK: Survival Evolved

Scorched Earth Tabula Rasa
Kayce Oct 3, 2016 @ 5:43pm
Breeding Complications / Taming Almost Impossible
Taming a wild lvl 110 took 7 sleeping gems = 105 wyvern milks with 7x taming rates. can the sleeping gems please not have a spoil timer or made with materials instead of milk. With the new way of spawning alphas in a 4% chance, this is almost an impossible way to tame. Without the alphas this means we would have to knock out 21 female wild wyverns in order to tame one. Unless I am missing something here.

All wyverns from before the update will not breed, and all wild eggs from b4 the update and wild eggs after the update will not breed. Also, can only breed between same kind of wyverns that were tamed from the wild. Which is fine except for the cost of gems.

Love this mod and all the work put into it, just wish the sleeping gem did not require milk and was easier to obtain OR at least no spoil timer and the mother jerboa an option to turn off.
Last edited by Kayce; Oct 3, 2016 @ 11:48pm
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YMD  [developer] Oct 4, 2016 @ 4:49am 
ok ill try to remember to do this weekend
Trog Oct 4, 2016 @ 3:16pm 
Yeah, got one down yesterday and put a sleeping gem in her just to find out it wouldn't last long enough so made a mad dash to trap more wyverns while it was taming. Got to the point where it was just not worth the trouble. Luckly my tribe found a lot of eggs and will be going that route for now instead do to the fact that the gem is just way to expensive to mass produce. And with the alphas being non excistant milk is actually a pain to get.

The Mother Jerboa 10/10 cute as hell not going to lie, but tamed a 150 and it came out with 63k hp and 680% melee....not something I would call normal at all, and was able to just go around and kill whatever with it. Would rather it be changed to be more balanced then just removed, but for now we are destroyall command to get rid of them for the time being.

cheat destroyall JerboaMotherRasa_Character_BP_C if anyone needs it for their servers
Leutian Kane Oct 4, 2016 @ 7:37pm 
wyvern's arent supposed to be easy to tame. honestly they're kind of end game creatures so i honestly wouldnt want them to be any easier, however the spoil timers on the sleep gems would be a good thing to see go away.
Trog Oct 4, 2016 @ 11:07pm 
It's not that its too hard Kane, but only 9 wyverns spawn on the map at a time. not all of them are female so the chances of you making more then one gem or 2 gems a day is slim. if there were still alpha wyverns wouldnt be such an issue, but you would literally need to capture all the females then kill them, wait for more to spawn back hopefully as female and do it again, lil on the ridic side for just taming something
Sio Oct 5, 2016 @ 3:15am 
I find that the taming really needs a fix. I have a 25x annunaki server running, taming a 760 wyvern takes around 6-7 gems, kibble and a hell lot of time (around 6 hours? on a 25x server!). Compared to an Annunaki Wyvern they are still pretty weak and not worth the effor.
-Getting hungry is way to slow, why is it even like that? It renders taming speed multipliers useless
-Gem should not require milk and should not spoil (why should it even?)
-Maybe make an instahungry item (with config to turn off) like the annunaki sedative, which by all means should need some milk to create (no spoiling timer)

Oh and that mother really needs an option to turn it off.

@sniper_tech01 do you know if the spawn can be blocked via game.ini?
somehting like: DinoSpawnWeightMultipliers=(DinoNameTag="JerboaMotherRasa",SpawnWeightMultiplier=0,OverrideSpawnLimitPercentage=true,SpawnLimitPercentage=0)
Last edited by Sio; Oct 5, 2016 @ 3:48am
Trog Oct 5, 2016 @ 6:43am 
@Sio no I don't know how to config the game.ini files at all, my friend that owns the server does that department. We were just waiting it out and randomly through the day wiping all jerboa mothers off the map every so often to keep them cleaned out.
Last edited by Trog; Oct 5, 2016 @ 6:55am
Sio Oct 5, 2016 @ 7:00am 
Well that line should work, if its the correct DinoNameTag (which i just guessed). At least this works for annunaki dinos.
Trog Oct 5, 2016 @ 7:00am 
Also find it strange that you're 25x server tamed at the same rate as our 7x server, something deffinately wrong there.
Trog Oct 5, 2016 @ 7:02am 
@sio I will throw it at our server owner and see what he thinks of it, thanks for the input on it. makes our lives a lil bit easier xD
Enphor Oct 5, 2016 @ 7:24am 
@sio, I'm the server owner sniper_tech01 is referring to. I was planning on trying to use the replacement code on the Mother that I use to remove titans and Gigas from the map. I turn them into quetzals. The only reason I think it may not work is from reading an earlier comment awhile back from Pegi saying that the mod code ignores the normal .ini dino settings when it comes to SE dinos. It is worth a test and when I get back from traveling I'm going to try it out on our test server.

As for the current wyvern breeding system with gems, its very broken. I have no doubt pegi will make things right in the end. Really what we need is more control over the parameters of the mod via settings. Things like wyvern food rates, gem expiration rates, gem crafting requirements, etc etc. I also did like the option before of setting the mod to always have 1 alpha on the map at a time. We do want breeding to be very involved as we don't want the map to be overrun with mass wyverns, but at the same time it needs to be reasonably attainable for people willing to put in the time and effort.
Sio Oct 5, 2016 @ 10:03am 
@Enphorcer_Dan
I did not tame this myself, but know the estimated time from a reliable source, he wasn't able to finish since a dilo killed off the wyvern while he went back to base to get the next gem. He was around 5 hours in (and whines about it ever since). The problem seems to be the hunger. It just looses like 0.1 every step. To even get this thing to eat takes ages. Though it should be much faster on a 25x (since every bite gives more progress), if we are talking same levels. Are wyverns ignoring multipliers?
I expected there might be a problem with that line. Replacement never worked for me, not even with annunaki while we had that beaver/titan problem (still have titans blocked since there are a lot of posts about crashs and i just dont like that thing).
More config options is ALWAYS good. Hell make it a page long, i don't care as long as it isn't changed with every update, just don't cave in to 12 year olds who spell game.ini wrong please :D

@pegi
I really like the mod, so don't take my posts the wrong way. I was pleasantly surprised to see the annunaki fix, i didn't expect it! I just want to give some input.
Last edited by Sio; Oct 5, 2016 @ 10:03am
Kayce Oct 5, 2016 @ 10:12pm 
Perhaps a solution could be to add stackable milk to the mod, nothing too crazy, maybe 3 or 5?
Sio Oct 6, 2016 @ 12:21am 
Milk is already stackable on my server. But i have really toned down the amount of SE dinos. We have at the most 10 wyvern on the whole map, like only 1 manticore, a few golems, they are just rare. To have to farm them... I'd either have to increase the spawn or think about offering taming gems to people. It also sucks that they spoil in your inventory while you are taming! You HAVE to have a mate get them to you or leave your tame alone. We all know how that usually plays out.
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