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The Pony Modpack
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C0bra5  [developer] Apr 15, 2020 @ 2:35pm
Policy on NSFW content
I honestly can't believe I'm feeling obligated to write this.

As some of you may be aware, I, C0bra5, author of the pony modpack, do not allow, enable or create NSFW components for the pony modpack.

These are the reasons why:
  • I have a very strong distaste for the NSFW side of the MLP community. Saying that my distaste has been amplified due to some vomit inducing examples would be an understatement.
  • I know for a fact that many minors have the modpack instaled. Over the years, Multiple individuals claiming to be parents have thanked me for making the modpack and making their child's day that much better.
  • Ever since I started working on the modpack, I have received requests from individuals to allow, enable or create NSFW content for the modpack. The fact that about a third of these individuals have cited zoophilia either in name or meaning as a reason to do so is something I cannot overlook. I do not desire to empower such individuals and hope that they have or will be treated or grew out of such unnatural desires.
  • I am in no way obligated to add NSFW components to the modpack. No matter how many people want it.


The "blackmail" situation
Some of you may have heard about a situation involving myself blackmailing some one. This is false. Admittedly, I can see how some may see it like that. I previously stated to a user that I collect identifying information about those that ask for NSFW content. I used the word blackmail when describing my actions. As I later admitted acknowledge "blackmail" is I very illegal. Again, let me make this clear: I, C0bra5, do not support the usage of blackmail. Following the Acknowledgement I edited my message to state that I was collecting evidence for a later use. I use this "Evidence" to keep those I consider unworthy of my time away from myself and those i care about.

All the information I collect is publicly available at the time I collect it. I collect usernames, Known past usernames and publicly available user Ids.

The full story
First thing first here is a link to screenshots of the full discussion between me, Ga'Hate Tains (the user who originally asked for the NSFW content in the workshop comment section) and NotADog (The user who rightfully told me off for threatening blackmail): https://imgur.com/a/qSqldL9

I tracked down the likely source of this stir up and made a post explaining my actions: As of writing this he post is currently not available. It is likely to be because it was a fairly long post and the fact I am a new user to the site/forum where it was posted. It is being likely held for review to make sure it's not spam (EDIT: turns out it might have been removed due to an anti-drama guideline on said site). For those wondering it's from that one website you find all the adult mods for skyrim and even starbound. Prepend the right url to this and you will have a link to the now deleted post that still lands you in the thread. WARNING, THIS SITE IS FOR ADULTS ONLY: /topic/100067-race-support-requests/page/25/?tab=comments#comment-2967202

As a backup and because I know for a fact I at least have some amount of control over this discussion, here is the full response I posted:

I legit can't believe i'm having to make an account just for this.

I though this was a done situation, but I see some people really don't like to share full stories. Apparently I'm infamous according to some guy on steam. So let me put this forth for all of you to get the other side of the story:

First have a link to a imgur post containing all the events that occurred duing the situation NotADog10 was talking about: https://imgur.com/a/qSqldL9

Now let's get go over some things NotADog10 seems to have forgot to include in his messages:
Originally posted by NotADog10 on LL (1/4/2020 at 2:45 PM):
Wanted to update on the Pony mod pack. A close friend of mine asked him for permission, and the author immediately resulted to insults and threatened blackmail (Despite having nothing to use as blackmail) So I would avoid asking him for anything in the future. I would also like to add this is the author's first reply to his question, and the never once said anywhere anything about point b. You can also read the comments on his modpage for the conversation https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=730849360

EDIT: He removed my comments, sooo you're gonna have to just read the ones he posted. Clearly someone in denial lol, but, don't want anyone else being harassed so just leave him be.
Originally posted by NotADog10 on LL (1/4/2020 at 2:45 PM):
Yup, did just that. Bit of an update: He's been harassing my friends steam profile literally all day long today. Constantly arguing. He even got his friends to msg when he ran out of daily comments. Stay away from this guy. My friend did nothing except ask if it was ok. If you need proof, let me know. But yeah that's bust...

At best i was talking to you for most of the situation. Your friend only asked to un-involve himself from the conversion after a statement of clarification I posted. Beyond that, nobody but yourself was involved in the conversations. Everyone can see this by looking at the messages.
As for the "harassing" you speak of, I believe you don't misunderstand what I was doing. All i did was leave a mark of disapproval upon an individual's profile who's behavior I found to be distressing and left the following comment on their public profile:
Originally posted by C0bra5:
-rep actual degenerate: https://imgur.com/a/0bmV8Wb

You then proceed to respond with some name calling:
Originally posted by NotADog:
@C0bra5 Pffffffff What are you? 5?

I then clarified my point and my point and identity as you seemed to misunderstand the fact that I was merely leaving a review after a distasteful interaction I had with the individual who owns the steam profile:
Originally posted by C0bra5:
@Not A Dog
Context: https://imgur.com/a/DmJ8Aj5

No, I am someone with common sense and strong values. In my opinion, anyone who PUBLICLY asks about adding NSFW components to something made for kids should be kept away from kids and shamed for doing so. I am making an example of him, mostly due to the recent increase in similar demands in my discord DMs.

I collect evidence and use it to make my points. I use the word "blackmail" to make it clear that I am not afraid to use said evidence against those that behave like the owner of this steam account.

What goes in my DMs is not private either. Unless another party and I agree to a contract that legally binds us to keep our conversation private, I consider everything from a private message for mine to use however I please.

If I would have simply wanted to insult your friend, I'd be calling them every name in the book and leaving it at that. I use words that explicitly describe my point of view. If I said words that offend you or your friend, grow a spine and understand that I'm not here to make you happy, I'm here to make a point. Unlike you apparently, I have no reason to insult you or call you a 5-year-old; those are meaningless insults that don't help forward any conversation or expansions of knowledge.

Feel free to use what I just said against me, but understand that I am not afraid of being honest and have no desire to excuse my previous behaviour.

The owner of the steam profile asked to un-involve himself in the conversation. I get where they are coming from, but at this point this was already a conversation between you and me.
Originally posted by Ga'Hate Tains:
@C0bra5 I will like to formally note that all I was asking for was a simple yes or no and instead I got labeled as a zoophile and your self righteous ego. So if you please, I'd like to just accept that your answer was no and move on

Apparently, at this point, you were surprised that you somehow got involved into this situation. I'm sorry you involved yourself in this situation and put yourself of my radar the moment you defended your friend's behavior. Honestly I was fine with leaving it at that after deleting your message. The fact you tried to insult me by calling me a 5 year old is just adorable to me. What did you seriously expect to happen after you called me a 5 year old? That I would shutup? To quote my dad: "Don't start a fight you aren't willing to end."
Originally posted by NotADog:
Oh now you got me involved too? Go ahead and try and blackmail me. I will report you to the police. I don't think you realize thag's highly illegal. A simple no would've sufficed, but you keep dragging this on and on and on. I'm not afraid of being honest either, nor do I want you to excuse youre own behavior. I just want to say this: Only someone highly in denial would drag this out this long, and frankly, its hypocritical to say grow a spine when youre such a coward you delete my comments and use big words like blackmail. And btw, what even are you gonna use? You got nothing on me. Kindly ♥♥♥♥ off.

And also, are you so naiive to think youre mod is only used by children? If it's "made for children" as you say, then your profile picture is indicative enough as to what age group you are.

Again you resort to insults. Even though all I'm doing is calmly explaining things in as polite a language as I can. In response to this message I did admit that using the word blackmail is yes a misnomer and corrected myself and the message. Gathering evidence is a much better description of what I do, and is what I have been using since then. Why threaten people when I can just do what I want. What would I have to gain from it? A potential criminal record? Clout? The former is something i care to not have and the latter is something I couldn't care less about. As for the deleting the comment thing, read point 4 in the answer I gave you:
Originally posted by C0bra5:
@Not A Dog
C0bra5 ran out of comments per day but have what he wanted to say:
1) You involved yourself when you posted your comments telling me off on the pony modpack's page and then calling me a 5 year old on your friend's profile.
2) Let's make something clear, I was using blackmail as a misnomer, replace that word with evidence, and it should be more appropriate. I've edited the post to describe this better.
Blackmail requires me to threaten you to release something that would injure you if you don't give me something of value. I don't have the time for that and have no plan on extorting things out of you. I am merely collecting evidence to use for a later purpose.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/blackmail/

One could try to accuse me of defamation then. Defamation requires specific malicious intent. I would need to knowingly release false information to cause damage to your public reputation. Defamation is an affirmative defence. All I am doing is giving an honest opinion, which is protected speech.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-libel-slander-key-elements-claim.html
3) To repeat myself, I gave him my honest opinion about his behaviour. It wasn't the answer he wanted, but that's none of my concerns. They seem to understand that the answer is a hard no, and I hope they have learned that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable in public.
4) I have full rights to delete comments posted to the pony modpack's page and have decided to exercise my rights. I archived it and deleted it because I don't want people defending this kind of behaviour on my page.

5) Why would I blackmail you? I indeed have no dirt on you. Not to mention that I do not have the desire to invest my time or risk a criminal record on such a thing.
6) When I say "something meant for kids," I'm talking about the tv show "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" and not the modpack. I have had many interactions with parents who told me that they played the game with their kids using the modpack and therefore can't ignore the fact that children also play the modpack.
7) As for the thing about my profile picture thing, I would like to introduce you to a fallacy called "ad hominem" https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
And that was about it.


If someone is still reading this, here is the data I collect from individuals who contact me in the goal of adding NSFW contents to the modpack:
  • Usernames
  • Publicly available user ids (steam user ids/discord user ids/any publicly facing user id I can find in publicly available linked accounts).
I use this information to identify those who I don't want around me or those I care about.



Anyhow now for more responding to things said in [LL]:

Originally posted by NotADog10 on LL (1/4/2020 at 2:45 PM):
(Which if he cared about children so much, he wouldn't have sworn at us like he did)
Yes I do care about the fact children are using the modpack. The fact that kids may be using the mod should be a given considering the modpack's content. As a matter of fact, most, if not all, of the useful constructive feedback I've received in recent years came from parents who's children used the modpack. As for the language thing, I don't care if a kid reads this kind of language. Preventing a kid from learning about complex topics or taboos is not only an insult to their learning potential but also potentially dangerous to them. Parents should pay attention to what their children learn. A child who starts performing dangerous or malicious acts, it's often because they lack the tools to evaluate the repercussions of their actions.


Originally posted by Zancuno on LL (1/7/2020 at 3:33 AM):
Most likely C0bra5 has a personal distaste for MLP porn.
Yes I have a very strong distaste for the NSFW side of the MLP community. Saying that my distaste has been amplified due to some vomit inducing examples would be an understatement.


Originally posted by Zancuno on LL (1/5/2020 at 9:32 PM):
Remember people, if you want want to ask if a race can be added to Sexbound, try not to post on the Steam Workshop mod page.

The Steam Workshop for Starbound is supposed to be PG-13 (not that nsfw stuff leaks on there anyways.)


[...]

I'm only saying this to prevent future things like what happened with C0bra5
Thanks for being somewhat of a voice of reason here.


Originally posted by Natural Aura on LL (1/6/2020 at 9:22 AM):
however it is common for a mod author to flat out disagree if asked in the race comments due to simply making a good impression.
I will never, either privately or publicly approve of NSFW elements related to MLP. This is not because I don't want to give bad impressions, this is because I personally disapprove of this behavior, nothing else.


Anyhow thanks for making my an other one of my afternoons that much more exciting. Spending hours in meeting calls just to supervise is really boring at times.

Further responses and clarifications - (06-may-2020)
Considering what was posted here:

[REDACTED]/topic/100067-race-support-requests/?do=findComment&comment=2992590

I have a few questions and replies to this.


Originally posted by red3dred on ll:
Firstly we aren't the only, the one and only, NSFW community. We aren't the first and most certainly not the last. I have my doubts you just went out to every single one, including reddits and tumblers and what-not and decided to repost your drama there. There is no way to make your message reach 100% of a audience that is not unified.
I am well aware of this. I know that it is impossible for me to reach all of those who either involved themselves or looked from a far.

I honestly thought that it would be the end of the situation calmed down on steam. I had admitted my mistakes and made amends by clarifying my the ways in which I was going to use the information I acquired. No one else was taking about it, to me it seemed like it was done. This was supposed to be a public statement on somebody's profile.

As I though this was the end of it, I didn't feel the need to go check if people were talking about it somewhere else.

Following the events that occurred between the 13th and the 15th of April 2020, I did my due diligence and extensively research public forums and social media for any mention of "the pony modpack", "C0bra5", "starbound", "blackmail", "starbound drama" and related terms. Lover's Lab was the only site that came up with a hit. It makes a lot of sense after all, it's the most prominent forum for the sexbound development community. If you know where I can reach more people to give my side of the story, please point me in the right direction, your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.


Originally posted by red3dred on ll:
threatening people with legitimate doxxing and black-mail so nonchalantly while claiming you are the one with common sense and patience
As stated before, I have admitted my mistakes and corrected myself. I have the full right to keep track of those I do not appreciate to have around me and the people I care about.


Originally posted by red3dred on ll:
you seem to deem perfectly fine and righteous as you call out other users "Degenerates", "Zoophiles"
A "Degenerate" is someone who has had a loss in physical, mental or moral aptitude.
A "Zoophile" is someone who has either indicated the intention or actually committed sexual acts on an animal (humans not included).

Considering the request that was made, I believe that both of these descriptors can be used to characterize someone who would make a request related to the creation of adult material of involving ponies, which are animals.


Originally posted by red3dred on ll:
if i may add, thus drawing your line of "Lewding cartoon characters is worse than committing crimes".
I'm honestly unsure where you are drawing this conclusion as it does not reflect my opinion what so ever. A more accurate description would be: "Enabling, participating or allowing the creation of adult material which involve animals is immoral, a crime in many locations and harmful to the continuation of the human species." This does not mean that I am against anthropomorphised characters being put in mature situations. For the record, I am also categorically against adult material depicting minors and non-consensual acts.


Originally posted by red3dred on ll:
I am sorry but you are but a puny broken feeble man on that matter, letting yourself be ripped apart and showing such frail mind to people just asking you for things
you seem to deem perfectly fine and righteous as you call out other users "Degenerates", "Zoophiles"
This has no place in a civic discussion. Those are insults and nothing else, but I'm going to respond to it non the less.

First thing first this is an attack not on my argument, but on my person. What you have done there is invoking an fallacy known as an Ad Hominem. Please refrain from committing this fallacy ever again.

If I was as puny and feeble as you say I wouldn't be here. I would likely be scared of this situation, attempting to hide myself from it. I am doing the opposite, going head first into places in which I know I will encounter friction. By commuting this fallacy you have shown yourself to be more of a coward than anything else.

By reacting in such an impolite manner you have shown to others that you are in fact the one who is weak minded. One does not call others names as part of a debate, one an other's point invalid by identifying the flaws withing said points.


Originally posted by red3dred on ll:
you could've simple pinned a message, or added a pointer in the description.
I've already pinned the message but adding a line to the description doesn't sound like a bad idea. I'll do that once i'm done writing here.


Originally posted by red3dred on ll:
The point of "A no would have sufficed" still stands
I never said it was an invalid point. All I said is that using something more meaningful than a simple "no" was much more effective and therefore appropriate. I am not saying threatening blackmail was a good idea. I've admitted that and corrected my statement months ago.



PS: I'll archive this entire message in the pinned thread on the steam discussions.

PSS: A word of advice on your writing:
You should use paragraphs or other kinds of delimiters to separate your major arguments. It makes it a lot easier to understand for those that have reading disorders as big blocks of text can be overwhelming for many dyslexic people.
Last edited by C0bra5; May 6, 2020 @ 8:03am